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Unburnt powder in 45acp

Post by DonaldT on 9/30/2017, 4:41 am

I have been trying to work up loads for my S&W 625 & M1917.

I have cast bullets using RCBS & Lee 200grn SWC moulds.

I have been using Vihtavouri N320 & N340.

With the N320 i have used 4,2 grn with an OAL 1.2"

I have got acceptable groups with this but with lots of unburnt powder.

With jacketed bullets 200 grn FN I got reasonable groups and will be working more on those with N340  

The N340 I have just given up using cast bullets, as I was getting lots of unstable bullets.
Bullets hitting sideways, if they hit the target, whilst other gave an acceptable group. 

A friend loaded some of the 200 grn SWCpb bullets in 45LC and got 10s and inners rested at 25m.

I also checked the weights and sizes of the cast bullets and they were all within a narrow band of weight and sizes.

Any sugestions?

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Re: Unburnt powder in 45acp

Post by noylj on 9/30/2017, 5:26 am

In your case, unburned powder can get under the cylinder star and cause problems clearing the cylinder. Except for that, unburned powder is NOT an issue. Your loads will be just as accurate with or without unburned powder.
For accuracy, .45 Auto works best with fast powders, where N320 is about the slowest that works really well (Green Dot, Zip, 231/HP38, and N320).
N310 might be a better choice.
Next, you can use a roll crimp, if you aren't already, for your revolver loads. If your bullets don't have a crimp groove or cannelure, you can roll the case mouth along the bullet ogive.
Your lead bullet issues could be due to them being too small for your guns. 0.454" (11.5316mm) might be a place to start. That and, if you have a source, try coated bullets.

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Re: Unburnt powder in 45acp

Post by RThatcher on 9/30/2017, 9:51 am

Your groups will improve and the load will be much cleaner if you will try 4.8 to 5.0 of the N320 with 200LSWC.
This load works well for me.

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Post by Wobbley on 9/30/2017, 10:13 am

Unturned powder is usually caused by too low pressure.  Increase the charge a few tenths, increase the crimp or change to a faster powder.  N310 should do nicely in a revolver.  Or try Nobel Vectan Ba10 or Ba9-1/2.
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Re: Unburnt powder in 45acp

Post by oldsalt444 on 9/30/2017, 12:13 pm

+1 on using faster powders. In the 45, the fast burners like Bullseye, WST, Titegroup & VV N310 are the choices for accurate loads.  The slower powders are meant for higher velocity loads, AKA "manstoppers". But I would think that N320 will still be OK. 

The first thing that came to mind when reading your post was "are you using enough crimp?" Bullets must be crimped to ensure proper ignition, and with the slower powders you mention not having enough crimp will leave unburnt powder.  Fast burners need a crimp too, but a light to medium one. 

Personally, I like 3.8-4.2 of WST and a .468-.470 crimp.  WST is great with lead bullets.  Try it; you'll like it.
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Re: Unburnt powder in 45acp

Post by Jon Eulette on 9/30/2017, 12:46 pm

I shoot primarily BE but sometimes use 700X for 45. For 38 spl I use BE and now trying WST. My arm is covered with unburnt powder from my powder puff loads after shooting. It doesn't bother me because what's on the target is what really counts! My 2 cents
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Post by Blsi2600 on 9/30/2017, 1:17 pm

3.4 Vectan Ba10.  Absolutely zero unburnt residue in the gun.

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Post by Jon Eulette on 9/30/2017, 1:46 pm

Is 3.4 of Vectan similar to 3.4 BE?
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Re: Unburnt powder in 45acp

Post by DonaldT on 9/30/2017, 2:09 pm

Thanks for the info.

I will increase the Loads with the N320 and check how much roll crimp I am using.

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Re: Unburnt powder in 45acp

Post by desben on 9/30/2017, 3:21 pm

All this talk about Vectan and Vihtavuori for the .45 ACP... Please, American powders for the Colt, European powders for the Luger.

Seriously though, aren't Euro powders almost twice as expensive?

(Edit: I realized after the fact that the OP Donald is from Europe. Carry on... Nothing to see here)
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Re: Unburnt powder in 45acp

Post by Blsi2600 on 9/30/2017, 5:05 pm

I think Vectan Ba10 is slightly faster than Bullseye and VV310.  My opinion only, but published data seems to indicate such.

I have been reloading the 45acp for 47 years and have tried most every suitable powder.  Ba10 is far cleaner than anything tried.

It is a single base shotgun/handgun powder from NobelSport. Country of origin is shown on the label as being from France.

One half kilo containers on sale at Graf & Sons in Mexico, MO for $19.99.  Six containers in a case.

Haven't had time to chrono or Ransom yet, but every shot is exactly on call at 50.  My load is 3.4 gr with Zero 185 lead swchp and .465 taper crimp with a .027 exposed shoulder.  Winchester Large Pistol primers.


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Re: Unburnt powder in 45acp

Post by Jon Eulette on 9/30/2017, 5:17 pm

Thanks......I'll pick some up and try it.
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Re: Unburnt powder in 45acp

Post by RJP on 9/30/2017, 5:29 pm

I have used VV N310 for 45 ACP for years, with excellent results. But recently , in the past year or so, I am getting a lot of unburnt powder on the shooting bench right in front of me. I do not know if the formula has changed or if VV N310 is made differently. I know that the new stuff does not perform like the old stuff and it costs more. I am switching to WST and I may try magnum primers as well.

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Unburnt N310

Post by RJP on 10/21/2017, 1:48 am

This is what I am talking about.



Is this what VV calls clean burning? These granules are hard and will jam a 1911 in about 50 rounds.

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Re: Unburnt powder in 45acp

Post by dronning on 10/21/2017, 6:04 am

RJP wrote: I am switching to WST and I may try magnum primers as well.
What primers are you using?
What temps are you shooting in, I think VV is temp sensitive and may not burn as clean in lower temps.
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Re: Unburnt powder in 45acp

Post by Multiracer on 10/21/2017, 8:58 am

Jon Eulette wrote:I shoot primarily BE but sometimes use 700X for 45. For 38 spl I use BE and now trying WST. My arm is covered with unburnt powder from my powder puff loads after shooting. It doesn't bother me because what's on the target is what really counts! My 2 cents
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