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Bad batch of WSP primers

Post by SmokinNJokin on 10/1/2017, 8:40 am

Gentlemen,
I wasn't sure until testing with multiple firearms, but it appears i got a bad batch of win small pistol primers. I have used WLP for years and gone through many cases with no issues, but the very first case of 5k WSP's have given me failures to fire in several different firearms (MCP beretta, Salyer Beretta, Springfield XDM, and glock 19).
Firing pin/striker indents were all pronounced on the rounds that failed to fire, and while several of the guns had reduced power hammer/striker springs, the Glock 19 did not.

Is this a fluke, or did I make a poor choice buying winchester small pistol? Lot number is LML325G. These primers cannot be trusted for anything other than practice.

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Post by Chris Miceli on 10/1/2017, 9:08 am

How do you clean your brass ?
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Re: Bad batch of WSP primers

Post by fc60 on 10/1/2017, 10:12 am

Greetings,

You should be communicating with Winchester, not the BaloneyNet.

If the primers are indeed defective, Winchester will replace them.

Also, their help desk would be flooded with complaints from other users that bought the same lot number.

Cheers,

Dave
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Re: Bad batch of WSP primers

Post by SmokinNJokin on 10/1/2017, 10:56 am

Dave,
Thanks for the tip, I will call winchester tomorrow morning. The post was not intended to badmouth the product, I was more curious if this has happened to anyone else (is it a common occurrence). WLP's have been so boringly reliable for case after case that I was very surprised at the WSP failures and attributed them to the guns in question until multiple tests ruled mechanical failures out.

And of course, multiple online gun forum searches yielded the standard BaloneyNet "win primers are garbage, don't use them" etc. Not really helpful or credible.

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Post by AllAces on 10/1/2017, 11:17 am

I have used Winchester small pistol primers for my M52 and DR for many years with no problems. That said, you could have a bad lot that slipped through quality control.
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Re: Bad batch of WSP primers

Post by fc60 on 10/1/2017, 11:27 am

Greetings,

The last time I saw failures to fire the problem was tracked back to a new way of cleaning brass.

The shooter switched to wet washing with pins.

In the NorthWest, nothing ever seems to dry out.

After washing, the shooter placed the cleaned, wet brass on a cookie sheet and placed them in a warm, less than 250 degrees F, oven to dry.

The problem has now gone away.

If the wife will not allow brass in the oven with the cookies, go to a second hand shop and purchase a food dehydrator. They look like a plastic beehive. The forced air and low heat will dry the brass thoroughly.

Hope to see you at Monday practice soon.

Cheers,

Dave
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Post by Chris Miceli on 10/1/2017, 11:33 am

fc60 wrote:Greetings,

The last time I saw failures to fire the problem was tracked back to a new way of cleaning brass.

The shooter switched to wet washing with pins.

In the NorthWest, nothing ever seems to dry out.

After washing, the shooter placed the cleaned, wet brass on a cookie sheet and placed them in a warm, less than 250 degrees F, oven to dry.

The problem has now gone away.

If the wife will not allow brass in the oven with the cookies, go to a second hand shop and purchase a food dehydrator. They look like a plastic beehive. The forced air and low heat will dry the brass thoroughly.

Hope to see you at Monday practice soon.

Cheers,

Dave
Seen this happen as well. I just doubled the time I leave them in the dehydration machine. Also depriming before wet cleaning helps
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Re: Bad batch of WSP primers

Post by SmokinNJokin on 10/1/2017, 11:50 am

Gentlemen,
I do not wet tumble, but i will keep these tips in mind as I plan to switch over soon.

Dave,
Unfortunately I moved to central KY, I miss our great group of competitors in the Sound area. There is very little interest in Bullseye around here and I have to drive a minimum of 2 hours to attend a small match. So most of my time is now spent in dry firing, reloading and 'equipment improvement'!

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Post by messenger on 10/1/2017, 12:00 pm

fc60 wrote:Greetings,

The last time I saw failures to fire the problem was tracked back to a new way of cleaning brass.

The shooter switched to wet washing with pins.

In the NorthWest, nothing ever seems to dry out.

After washing, the shooter placed the cleaned, wet brass on a cookie sheet and placed them in a warm, less than 250 degrees F, oven to dry.

The problem has now gone away.

If the wife will not allow brass in the oven with the cookies, go to a second hand shop and purchase a food dehydrator. They look like a plastic beehive. The forced air and low heat will dry the brass thoroughly.

Hope to see you at Monday practice soon.

Cheers,

Dave


I concur. I thought I had a primer problem but when I pulled the bullet the powder was caked. It was harder to tell with WST in my 45 loads but using True Blue (very fine) in my 9mm loads it was very obvious. Even if you put in the oven or use a food dehydrator let them sit out to cool. When I dumped them into a clear plastic container while still hot I noticed condensation forming on the inside of the container.

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Post by Keyholed on 10/2/2017, 3:09 am

SmokinNJokin wrote:And of course, multiple online gun forum searches yielded the standard BaloneyNet "win primers are garbage, don't use them" etc. Not really helpful or credible.

Winchester, CCI, S&B, and Federal primers are absolute garbage and shouldn't be used. The best kind to use is Winchester, CCI, S&B, or Federal primers.  clown

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