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Post by Guest on 11/8/2017, 8:21 am



1006927 Hyskore Competition Range Box
14 x 11.5 x 17.5 inches
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CGNF08U/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I232RQ55X3VZAE&colid=39LU4F8G3ARUH

I'm looking for a new range box. They are always out of stock at Bullseye Gear .Com. This one has larger dimensions as well.
What do you think of this one?

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Post by Aprilian on 11/8/2017, 8:31 am

No experience with that box, but I found it interesting that the stock photo shows that either the scope or muzzles are pointed downrange, but not both.
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Post by STEVE SAMELAK on 11/8/2017, 8:40 am

My GUESS is that the gun drawer can be turned around to point the preferred direction.
In any case it's better than the one that you don't have & looks to be minimalist but useable.
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Post by Dr.Don on 11/8/2017, 8:42 am

Bullseye Gear isn't the only place to find them.

http://www.champchoice.com/store/Main.aspx?p=CategoryBody&c=RAGUSR
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Post by Guest on 11/8/2017, 8:49 am

STEVE SAMELAK wrote:My GUESS is that the gun drawer can be turned around to point the preferred direction.
In any case it's better than the one that you don't have & looks to be minimalist but useable.

It needs more. There is no clip to stop the wind from slamming the lid. A review said that the scope rod was wobbly. It may need a carrying strap. I'm using a DeWalt toolbox now. Too much clutter.



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Post by Tim:H11 on 11/8/2017, 9:56 am

I was told champions choice ought to be getting them in around Christmas or late November. I ordered one from Precision Pistol Box. The guys name is Greg and is a member here. He makes em like the old pachmayr boxes but with room for a dot sighted pistol. Give his website a look. Like I said I ordered one. I’ll post a thread about it when I get it.
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Post by Blsi2600 on 11/8/2017, 10:36 am

Very poor design.

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Post by STEVE SAMELAK on 11/8/2017, 10:47 am

Well to be fair, I said it was useable not good.
It's still better than a feed bag.
Like most things, there's room for improvement.
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Post by Slartybartfast on 11/8/2017, 2:25 pm

So a question, what would be the advantage of a range box standing open over a pelican type case and a freestanding spotting scope?

Just have to pull out magazines, ammo, scope.

I'm just not seeing the added convenience. Or more the inconvenience of not having one.

What's the advantage of this box staying open beside you for example?
http://www.precisionpistolbox.com/apps/webstore/products/show/2229140

If a scope support rod and base were included, no need for the box. If the rod affixed to the outside of the box, the box could be closed during firing.

Here's an idea I should patent for foam cutouts in pistol cases:
- a standard width/height should be determined.
- the pistol storage section of the box should be a multiple of the standard.
- custom cutout foam for each pistol would be a multiple of the standard.
- combinations of single gun foam could be added to the box.

Though of this when I was looking at multiple gun boxes where there's a difference between auto and revolver cutouts. WTH should I have to buy a box that's one revolver and one auto pistol? It should be a 2 gun box. Then I could have 2 auto pistol foams, 2 revolver foams. And could go with two of one or one of each on any range day.

There are companies I found that will do custom foam by gun model for horizontal storage. I thought that doing that for individual guns in trays that would then stack and store in a larger box would make for a very versatile transport system.
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Post by Greg Walloch on 11/8/2017, 2:28 pm

Give me a call if you get a chance.  I’m backed up about 2 weeks right now, but I can give you some ideas.

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Post by STEVE SAMELAK on 11/8/2017, 2:40 pm

The "best" gun box is like the "best" gun.  No one can choose it for you.
I think the open top boxes are more convenient and compact....until it rains.
You make your choices, you take your chances, you pay your dues
Go to matches and ask about the boxes the same way you ask about the guns in them.
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Post by Tim:H11 on 11/8/2017, 3:58 pm

Greg Walloch wrote:Give me a call if you get a chance.  I’m backed up about 2 weeks right now, but I can give you some ideas.

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THIS GUY!!!! I ordered mine from him and can't wait to get it. And I've had a strongcase boxe, I've had a Gun-Ho box... this guy is VERY nice to talk to and he'll build the box just about any way you want it. Worth it! What ever you're looking for in a box I'm sure he can do it. 

Thanks Greg!
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Post by troystaten on 11/9/2017, 12:19 am

I have a strongcase box and like it, I picked up mine on E-bay if I was going to buy it new I would buy the shorter version.

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Post by CR10X on 11/9/2017, 5:04 am

So a question, what would be the advantage of a range box standing open over a pelican type case and a freestanding spotting scope?
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Post by Froneck on 11/9/2017, 7:10 am

I have both a 5 gun box and one that will fit only 2. I only shoot 2 guns so use the .45 for CF. My older son Frank Jr bought a small box at Perry (he has the bigger one too) that I liked. A while ago I managed to find the  small box here with magnets, strap, and scope plus a few other goodies new unused, all still in the boxes. I used it last year at Perry and a few 2700's since most I shoot have more than one relay so the box is removed from the line. I also have an Aluminum gun box, nice box but it needs wheels!
 However it has issues, the magnets supplied by the box maker are weaker than the one I mounted on my 5 gun box, magazines tend to fall off. Intend to change the one on the lid. It has 2 more on the inside forward and rear that really are useless especially on the front (target side) since the gun clamp is near that side. Nice that's its not as wide but it's also shorter! I would have rather had it the same length as the 5 gun box. Spotting scope that came with the box that was added by the former owner is a good Celestron scope but takes up lots of space so I changed it to a shorter one. Still the internal space is limited, might move the Gill Hebard type mount to the outside. I have the fold-up muffs but have a problem fitting them inside. So I found this nice chain similar to the ball pull chain on a light socket but much stronger, added a small pull button type dog chain snap and have the muffs dangling on the outside. The gun clamp is also poorly designed, have a problem getting guns in and out. Intend to modify that too!
 Thought I would save time and buy what I wanted but will probably have to make one! So I suggest getting the larger one first. Later you can add to the pile like I did when tired of lugging all that stuff to the range. I take both to the match and keep what I don't need on the line in the larger box. Better to have what's needed with you than beg the line for help.

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Post by BE Mike on 11/9/2017, 8:06 am

I've had a few pistol boxes. My latest is a Precision Pistol Box by Greg Walloch. He makes many different sizes and styles. He does the highest quality work at reasonable prices.
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Post by Oleg G on 11/9/2017, 8:12 am

Back to the question by OP - I have the box pictured. From my experience it is usable (it is my first box) but is somewhat awkward and takes time to set up at the start of the match and pack up at the end.
The gun drawer can be indeed turned around. 
I just ordered a 3-gun box from Greg Walloch of Precision Pistol Boxes because I now definitely want a better box. So, another endorsement for Greg!
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Post by Slartybartfast on 11/9/2017, 9:05 am

CR10X wrote:
So a question, what would be the advantage of a range box standing open over a pelican type case and a freestanding spotting scope?

So why not try shooting, say a few hundred outdoor and indoor 2700 matches, literally thousands of individual trips to the range for training, lugging the gear and guns around, etc., and then see what works out better.  There is a reason that most shooters gravitate to the equipment that has been in use for more than 60 years. (You may even figure out where the mount the brass deflector screen.) 

I won't hide that I have no competition experience besides recording scores at my club for slow/timed/rapid competition.
My current toolbox and bag is certainly less than ideal to keep range trips organised and I don't want to be a contrarian. But gravitating towards what is commonly accepted, without supporting reasoning, just isn't something I regularly do.

At my previous range, all shooting was done in 10 minute relays alternating between rifle and pistol. So each relay was started with setup and ended with take down. Always found that I had the club bench mount scope installed and aimed and my pistol out of the box and the box under the bench faster than the one person in the club that had a precision pistol box. 
 
So, I'm used to set-up, take down, and having only my pistol, ammunition, and scope on the bench. Hence the main reason for my question.

Can't remember if the box that member has even had a scope on it and it seemed clumsy and heavy to carry to me. (Note, I've been forced to change clubs due to the closure of the first, and the new club seems to have only two old guys interested in precision pistol that shoot on a day and time I could never get to the club at. Advantage is I now setup and can remain setup for as long as I want.)

In my mind, the advantages of a single box would have to overcome the disadvantage of having no access to anything in the box unless I'm at home or on the firing line or at the gun work bench at the club. And if it's outdoors and there's inclement weather? Lose use of the scope and have an awkward box to open and access one or two things, or everything in the box gets wet/damp.
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Post by Bullseye_Stan on 11/9/2017, 11:35 am

I recently ordered one of the Strong Case 3 gun versions that is back ordered from Champions Choice.  I considered the Hyscore aluminum box, but have never seen anyone use one and they seem a bit spartan to me.  By that, I mean it seems some embellishment and customization would be needed immediately.  Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Currently, I use three bags - one for .22 and one for center fire and a third for a brass catcher.  My goal is to fit all this 'stuff' into one box.  I hope the Strong Case works out.  But, if it doesn't there are other options.  It would be nice to see an unbiased review of the Hyscore competition range box and its features.

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Post by Slartybartfast on 11/9/2017, 1:07 pm

CR10X wrote:Everything has trade-offs and costs, be it monetary, weight, size, convenience, safety, ease of use, rules, etc.  That's why designs, even for gun boxes, tend to gravitate to certain general forms to meet the constraints and requirements.
I'm not looking to create a better mouse trap, trying to find what would be best for me (and taking someone else's thread way off topic. Sorry.)
You decided to take me on, while starting by admitting there are trade-offs and costs. It's exactly those points and conversation I'm looking for without the confrontation.
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Post by CR10X on 11/9/2017, 2:54 pm

Sorry you felt like you're being "taken on"?  You asked the questions and for reasoning and I gave answers and reasons.  I think it was a discussion.  So I deleted my posts.  

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Post by Blsi2600 on 11/9/2017, 3:49 pm

SLB strikes again.  "no competition experience" says it all.

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Post by Slartybartfast on 11/10/2017, 8:12 am

Blsi2600 wrote:SLB strikes again.  "no competition experience" says it all.
And so I'm asking questions. And instead of helping me with your experience, you choose to belittle me for my lack. Responses of "Because" and saying I need to learn through competition aren't helpful.
I'm asking those with experience what the advantages and disadvantages are. All I'm getting is the above as responses.
If I travel to a competition, it will require hours of driving and all the wonders of dealing with US Homeland Security in one direction and Canadian Customs in the other. So, any advice besides berating me for not being experienced?
I've read in another thread that at Camp Perry, like at the clubs I've shot at, you can't open your gun box except at the line.
IMO, that makes another bag or box mandatory for eye and ear protection. So if two boxes are required, how much should go into the one that goes on the bench?
Also that Camp Perry, like at the clubs I've shot at, you must have your guns unboxed with the muzzle pointing downrange. Making the traditional boxes less useful as you can't stagger the pistols to make use of the space and accommodate target grips.
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Post by Froneck on 11/10/2017, 8:33 am

I think that if you went to Camp Perry Slarty and shot there you would quickly learn why a gun box is needed. Shooting the warm-up match will quickly demonstrate that point! At Perry you change benches for 25 and 50 yards. You will soon learn why most have a fold-up wagon if you shoot on Range 1 on 3rd relay and have to get to Range 4 to shoot team.  Most ranges are less of a problem but it's nice to have a simple way to transport items needed to the range and eventually to the firing point and often there is more than one relay, shoot a 900 then remove your stuff then return for the next 900.
 I did check the Maker of my 2 gun box, it is Precision by Walloch. I'm kinda disappointed with it. Even the carry handle isn't quite right. I understand it had to be placed off center to allow the opening to hinge up but if designed right it could be in the center. Better yet would have been to use a recessed handle like on my Pachmayr. I do have to work on the gun clamping. When I first got it holes in the wood for the fully threaded camp screw would bind and not allow the clamps to open. Making the holes bigger didn't help because when the clamp angled when tightened the screw threads pressed into the wood. I then inserted small aluminum bushings. The clamp screw is the only thing holding the clamps in the box which is attached to the first one that is connected to the tray. I'm going to add 2 additional guides And rubber bumpers on the bottom. Plus the clamps are at one end and hold the guns near the muzzle, simply a poor design! Don't hold well!

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