Slow Fire vs. Timed/Rapid Fire Trigger Pull

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Slow Fire vs. Timed/Rapid Fire Trigger Pull

Post by zanemoseley on 12/29/2017, 6:35 pm

I'm curious how you guys approach slow fire trigger pulls versus rapid fire. The reason I ask is I've been having issues with my slow fire pull I think, quite often my rapid fire targets are tighter in size than my slow fire which obviously is a problem. I kind of feel I'm babying the pull too much an essentially trying to hard to make it a good shot.

In slow fireI preload the trigger some then I try to start adding weight as my sight picture looks good until the shot breaks. In my rapid fire shots I pre-load the trigger but when the shot looks right I pull it the rest of the way fairly quickly as time is limited. The quicker pulls are often better.

I'm going to trick my brain into practicing slow fire with a quicker pull but I'm curious what everyone else does. I'm going to try my best to hit master this year but its going to be hard with my current slow fire results.

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Re: Slow Fire vs. Timed/Rapid Fire Trigger Pull

Post by Keyholed on 12/29/2017, 7:29 pm

It sure sounds like you're a bit slow on the trigger. I would try not doing that "pre-load" thing. I would also try focusing on just smoothly increasing trigger pressure while making the sight picture as good as possible--instead of what you're currently doing, which would be making a perfect sight picture, and then going for "good enough" on the trigger pull.

Smooth, uninterrupted trigger pull--> sight either "magically" finds its way to perfect right as my trigger breaks, or the shot is better than I called it (called 5 o'clock 8-ring, scoped 5 o'clock 10-ring edge)
Perfect X-ring sights and interrupted trigger pull --> sight picture disturbed as shot breaks, or shot is not to call

I'd also suggest maybe looking at stance/grip differences between your Rapid and Slow. I find that if I'm shooting poor Slows, but good Rapids, sometimes it's because the time pressure is causing me to tense my arm a little harder, which is what I'm missing from the equation in Slow.

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Post by Jon Eulette on 12/29/2017, 7:57 pm

SF, TF & RF are EXACTLY the same! Only difference is when you lift the pistol from the bench. Should be squeezing trigger when lowering into black on SF and squeezing it before targets face on TF & RF. The timing you must figure out for yourself. 
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Post by Chris Miceli on 12/29/2017, 9:37 pm

Jon Eulette wrote:SF, TF & RF are EXACTLY the same! Only difference is when you lift the pistol from the bench. Should be squeezing trigger when lowering into black on SF and squeezing it before targets face on TF & RF. The timing you must figure out for yourself. 
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Post by tceva on 12/30/2017, 5:40 am

Kudo's to who ever said it , Jon just reinforced it, but last night I shot my best 22 targets ever.  I was tired and not really motivated, so i opted for range time instead of dry fire.  I changed up my shot sequence to "getting on the trigger while lowering into the target" as opposed to raising into the target.  It seemed natural.  Even with the light recoil of the 22, recoil is always upward even if it is an inch.  I was watching my timer, and each time I was within rapid fire limits without being rushed.  Do most successful shooters lower into, or raise up to?  Happy New Year!
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Post by Wobbley on 12/30/2017, 8:12 am

A mix of both. There’s a video in this thread. http://www.bullseyeforum.net/t8110-good-sight-alignment-video
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Re: Slow Fire vs. Timed/Rapid Fire Trigger Pull

Post by Ed Hall on 12/30/2017, 11:21 am

In 2006 I offered a trial exercise to the old list that seems to be similar to the activity in this thread, except for the dry fire lead in.  If anyone is interested, the exercise can be found at:

2006 New Year's Training Exercise

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Post by rreid on 12/30/2017, 2:59 pm

tceva wrote:  Do most successful shooters lower into, or raise up to?  

I don't know what all the successful shooters do, but here's what I was taught. Pay attention to where the gun goes when it recoils and how it comes back to the center. On your first shot, raise the gun to the same point and lower into the bull same way. For me, the gun goes up and a little to the left, so I start at the 11 o'clock position above the bull and lower into it. Inhale on the raise, then exhale a little on the way down. The only time I raise up to the bull is in the cmp 22 matches, where you're not allowed to raise until the target faces.
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Post by AllAces on 12/30/2017, 4:08 pm

Same trigger pull for Slow, Timed, Rapid because of dry fire practice I do every day I don't go to the range.
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