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Post by Dcforman on Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:50 am

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Alright, I searched the forum and I can't figure out whether to increase or decrease OAL...

Zero LHPSWC 185's, about 0.035 shoulder exposed above the case, crimped to 0.469, OAL at 1.220.

I had a couple rounds fail to chamber, with the nose catching hard on the bottom of the barrel ramp, to the point that they wouldn't chamber even when I tried to rerack. Had to lock the slide back, drop the mag, and drop the round out the bottom.

This is a series 70 Gold Cup with a 12# spring and metalform mags with round followers (stock spring).

So I've seen suggestions to shorten down to 1.200, so about 0.015 shoulder exposed, or go up to 1.240-1.250 , and expose more shoulder.

Thoughts? Should I just try both?

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Post by james r chapman on Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:20 pm

Well, I was using my c-clamps with the slide scale 1/128th ruler.
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Post by Gary Wells on Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:49 pm

The Federal Rep told me yesterday that there is no performance or dimensional difference between ammo packaged in either the white or the gold boxes.  He said that it was determined by which the customer wanted. When questioned about COAL differences he told me that the COAL was determined by the SAAMI specifications denoting 1.190”-1.275”. However I noticed in the match .45 auto the COAL requirements were 1.140”-1.255”. He also told me that forums were a bad place to get info from. He also advised that this ammo had not been made for several years.

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Post by james r chapman on Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:28 pm

We are talking about the Federal 185 Gold Medal round, correct?

GM45B?
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Post by Gary Wells on Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:42 pm

James Yes, and that was what I was told by the Fed Rep. He seemed sort of evasive when I tried to get him to divulge what internal info they used they used to determine best accuracy/precision.

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Post by Gary Wells on Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:51 pm

Dcforman wrote:Alright, I searched the forum and I can't figure out whether to increase or decrease OAL...
Zero LHPSWC 185's, about 0.035 shoulder exposed above the case, crimped to 0.469, OAL at 1.220.
I had a couple rounds fail to chamber, with the nose catching hard on the bottom of the barrel ramp, to the point that they wouldn't chamber even when I tried to rerack. Had to lock the slide back, drop the mag, and drop the round out the bottom.
This is a series 70 Gold Cup with a 12# spring and metalform mags with round followers (stock spring).
So I've seen suggestions to shorten down to 1.200, so about 0.015 shoulder exposed, or go up to 1.240-1.250 , and expose more shoulder.
Thoughts? Should I just try both?
Dave

Dave my apolo.gies for getting us off track on this thread. I will have specific info this weekend as I m experimenting with exactly that same bullet that you indicated (Magnus LHPSWC)

I shot that same bullet last weekend at a COAL of 1.235 and it showed same symptoms that you experienced. However that was in a gun that had just been re=builtand was exceptional tight.

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Post by Gary Wells on Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:58 pm

Dave: I have shot that very same bullet in most of my guns and have gotten by with a COAL of 1.250".

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Re: SWC catching on bottom of barrel ramp

Post by Dcforman on Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:19 pm

No worries!

I shot a 22 league Wednesday, and ended up not making it to the range today. I'll probably shoot my 45 Sunday, and try the reloads I have that measure a hair shorter to see what happens. If I have time, I'll load some out to 1.230-1.250 and see what that does.

On a side note, am I to understand they haven't produced Federal Gold Match 185s in a few years?!?!

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Post by Bullseye_Stan on Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:46 pm

You can buy 10+ boxes of Federal Gold Match 185 SWC from Bud's at $0.72 per round:

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/656_2081_10000572/products_id/67126/Federal%20GM45B%20Gold%20Medal%20FMJ%20Semi-Wadcutter%20Match%2050RD%20185gr%2045%20Auto/


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Post by Dcforman on Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:37 pm

I definitely know it's available. I shot a box a month ago. I'm just curious if I understand Gary correctly that it hasn't been manufactured for several years....

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Post by james r chapman on Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:49 pm

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Post by Multiracer on Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:37 pm

Poor representation of Federal products by that sales guy.

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Post by Gary Wells on Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:49 pm

His statement was that it had not been made for several years and could become unavailable for some time.

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Post by james r chapman on Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:17 pm

We can't be discussing the same thing. I'm talking the Gold Medal match bullet currently available.
I must be getting old. 1.160

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Post by Gary Wells on Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:14 pm

Yes Sir, James, I am talking about the same bullet. 1.16 stem to stern. Those are great bullets. Unfortunately a tad pricey for my budget. Also, I am about 1 shade short of being "legally blind". My 1" groups at 20 ft & 30 ft are about 4" at about 21 ft. I probably should be stuffing rocks down my barrel. Scoped SA CS TGO1 coming up shortly.

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Post by Chris Miceli on Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:54 pm

james r chapman wrote:We can't be discussing the same thing. I'm talking the Gold Medal match bullet currently available.
I must be getting old. 1.160

i can't read that thing... i think you need a digital display
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Post by james r chapman on Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:17 am

Chris Miceli wrote:
james r chapman wrote:We can't be discussing the same thing. I'm talking the Gold Medal match bullet currently available.
I must be getting old. 1.160

i can't read that thing... i think you need a digital display

I have a vernier calipers for guys like you!

LOL
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Re: SWC catching on bottom of barrel ramp

Post by Wobbley on Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:45 am

I haven’t seen a very-near in years.
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Re: SWC catching on bottom of barrel ramp

Post by Gary Wells on Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:51 am

I never developed a trust in digital measurement tools, and owned and used all vernier type tools. There again my eyeballs worked in those days. Not so much now.

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Post by jglenn21 on Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:57 am

Reliable digital calipers cost $$. Even the cheap dial calipers work consistently.  But neither will match a mic.
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Re: SWC catching on bottom of barrel ramp

Post by 243winxb on Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:02 am

Soft, almos pure  lead cast  bullets do it in my gold cup. The nose sticks on the feed ramp.   

The head to shoulder .947" puts this 200 gr Lyman BB into my series 70 Gold Cup rifling. 

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Re: SWC catching on bottom of barrel ramp

Post by Dcforman on Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:23 am

That looks like a lot of shoulder exposed. What's the OAL? Mine measure. 927 to the shoulder right now. Does the .947 give you reliable feeding?

Thanks!

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Post by LenV on Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:41 am

Mine are a little longer but the bullet profile might be different. I also had to polish the ramp around the sharp edges on the side of the ramp. 100% reliable now.

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Post by 243winxb on Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:07 pm

COL is 1.263"   LYMAN 200 gr bevel base.  To shoulder  of current batch is .946" 

I measure to the shoulder because different alloys  change bullet length, base to nose.

Yes , i get   reliable feeding, except when the casting alloy is near pure lead. 



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Post by 243winxb on Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:32 pm

Extractors- may cause feeding problems. The rim/case head must slide up the bolt face freely as the round  moves out of the magazine and under the extractor.

Rim diameter-  if large then  .480"  the round may not slide up the bolt face of some 1911s , freely.

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Post by james r chapman on Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:15 pm

Wobbley wrote:I haven’t seen a very-near in years.
For Chris M, and You....

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