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Anyone use Speers 451-185-SWC TMJ MATCH BULLET

Post by dronning on 2/3/2018, 10:31 am

Last trip to Camp Perry there were several AMU shooters using a Jacketed SWC (NOT PLATED) in the EIC matches, like Speers 451-185-SWC TMJ MATCH BULLET 
Pictured from Speer's webpage:


Wondering is anyone has used them and what your loads are?  How do they perform compared to a JHP round?  One advantage would be nicely cut holes.

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Post by Virgil Kane on 2/3/2018, 11:37 am

I have used these Speer SWC's but found that the Zero 185 gr. JHP much more accurate at 50 yards.  Could have been my load but I tried 4.2 of BE and 4.4 of V-310.  Maybe if pushed faster I would get better accuracy but the 4.2 of V-310 and 185 gr. JHP Zero's are a great load in my gun so I'm sticking with those.

I might be wrong but I thought Speer discontinued these bullets?

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Post by Chris Miceli on 2/3/2018, 12:06 pm

dronning wrote:Last trip to Camp Perry there were several AMU shooters using a Jacketed SWC (NOT PLATED) in the EIC matches, like Speers 451-185-SWC TMJ MATCH BULLET 
Pictured from Speer's webpage:


Wondering is anyone has used them and what your loads are?  How do they perform compared to a JHP round?  One advantage would be nicely cut holes.

- Dave
I was talking to one of the shooters he said the good shooters got jhp Smile


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Post by jglenn21 on 2/3/2018, 12:37 pm

actually the Speers are plated.. just like the Gold dots... Just way better plating than others..


I shoot them for the short line in my EIC 45... they will not hold up to Nosler 185 JHP at 50..  I run 4.1 of N310 in both

pretty sure they are still making them.
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Post by Virgil Kane on 2/3/2018, 2:13 pm

jglenn21 wrote:actually the Speers are plated.. just like the Gold dots... Just way better plating than others..


I shoot them for the short line in my EIC 45... they will not hold up to Nosler 185 JHP at 50..  I run 4.1 of N310 in both

pretty sure they are still making them.
Actually the old ones like I have are jacketed. I can send you a few to check out if you like.

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Post by jglenn21 on 2/3/2018, 5:46 pm

thanks , I remember those.. I still have some Winchester and Remington 185 SWC snub nose left over from the 80s.. unfortunately not enough to really use.
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Post by dronning on 2/3/2018, 6:38 pm

Did some more research, the Speer are plated but much thicker so you run them at +P pressures.  I'm going to stick with the 185 JHP.
- Dave

Speer TMJ: .015"
Berry's Thick Plated (TP): .012"
PowerBond: .010"-.011"
Berry's Regular: .0035"-.006"-.008"
Rainier: .004"
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Post by JayhawkNavy02 on 2/3/2018, 9:06 pm

AMU is not using the JSWC.  You may have bumped into a pickup Tyro shooter or an augment not part of the regular Team.
Are you sure it wasn't a National Guard or a Navy shooter?
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Post by dronning on 2/3/2018, 9:50 pm

JayhawkNavy02 wrote:AMU is not using the JSWC.  You may have bumped into a pickup Tyro shooter or an augment not part of the regular Team.
Are you sure it wasn't a National Guard or a Navy shooter?
It was 2016 just after the rule change, so it may have been.
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Post by Chris Miceli on 2/3/2018, 10:13 pm

JayhawkNavy02 wrote:AMU is not using the JSWC.  You may have bumped into a pickup Tyro shooter or an augment not part of the regular Team.
Are you sure it wasn't a National Guard or a Navy shooter?
I saw a guard shooter use them. It was the federal brand loaded ambi
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