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Post by James Hensler on 2/15/2018, 12:16 pm

I am trying to work up some loads and I am wondering if anyone is using this powder

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Post by Boris_La on 2/15/2018, 3:34 pm

I do with Zero 185gr JHP and xtreme plated 200gr SWC. With lead bullets accuracy is good, but too smokey.
I also use TG with 9mm jacketed bullets.

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Post by James Hensler on 2/15/2018, 4:00 pm

Ok I use 185 JHP for 25 yards
I use a 10 lbs recoil spring
I started at 4.0 -4.2-4.4-4.6-4.8 all hit the bullseye and the 5 shot group at 4.4 I could put a 50 cent piece over. I went back today and shot a 93 times fire so I think I nailed it. Now 50 yards not one hit the bulleye. From my rest they were all over the place. How could that group open up that much. So I just loaded 4.7-4.8-4.9 maybe that will group better

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Post by Boris_La on 2/15/2018, 4:08 pm

Zero 185gr JHP with 4.5gr TG shoots less than 2" at 50yrd from CZ97B.
4.2gr TG is good for 25yrd with the same bullet and 185gr or 200gr lead bullets.

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Post by James Hensler on 2/15/2018, 4:18 pm

Wonder why mine didn’t?? Got to rethink this

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Post by Boris_La on 2/15/2018, 4:35 pm

Other variables? Brass, crimp, barrel?

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Post by James Hensler on 2/15/2018, 5:27 pm

Ok here goes
Remington R1 Enhanced 
Match grade 5 inch
S&B brass
WLP 
1.200-1.205
Taper .467

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Post by James Hensler on 2/15/2018, 5:28 pm

All Bullets weighed to + or - 1 grain

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Post by Boris_La on 2/15/2018, 5:51 pm

I meant other variables can play a role in different performance.
My barrel on CZ97B is very different from your as well.

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Post by James Hensler on 2/15/2018, 5:57 pm

What pisses me off is I can shoot 80-84 with off the shelf ammo and I am expecting to be solidly in the 90’s once I figure this out

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Post by Boris_La on 2/15/2018, 6:05 pm

I am recent reloader myself and have had the same expectations when found out that factory ammo is not up to task and custom match ammo is out of my budget. First reloading experience was disappointing until I learned the process and started making very consistent ammo. First for 9mm and now for 45ACP

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Post by jglenn21 on 2/15/2018, 6:28 pm

Your pistol may simply not like Titegroup
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Post by james r chapman on 2/15/2018, 7:18 pm

If you go from mid 90's at 25 to won't hold the paper at 50 it's gun problems not ammo...

Or, your rest setup is incredibly bad. Resting on slide maybe?
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Post by davekp on 2/16/2018, 7:32 am

For 9mm, with Sierra 115 fmj, 4.8gr of Titegroup.

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Post by Bigtrout on 2/16/2018, 7:39 am

davekp wrote:For 9mm, with Sierra 115 fmj, 4.8gr of Titegroup.
Do the fired cases show any signs of excessive pressure?  That is the maximum load in the Hodgdon data.
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Post by James Hensler on 2/16/2018, 10:46 am

james r chapman wrote:If you go from mid 90's at 25 to won't hold the paper at 50 it's gun problems not ammo...

Or, your rest setup is incredibly bad. Resting on slide maybe?
No they are all on paper just not in the black. 
I went back today and I have a time box and shot multiple 95’s time fire and several 90’s rapid fire. I have been shooting bulleye since 1988 so my technique is ok. My sugar got out of hand so I stopped but now it’s undercontrol so for the last 6 months I have been practicing 3-4 days a week. 

Now today I shot 4.7 grains and shot a few 80’s but I had to go up 5 clicks. I don’t like that. I am used to a 6 o’clock hold at 25 and center mast at 50

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Post by james r chapman on 2/16/2018, 11:32 am

Isn't 5 about standard?..
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Post by Boris_La on 2/16/2018, 1:55 pm

davekp wrote:For 9mm, with Sierra 115 fmj, 4.8gr of Titegroup.
With Hornady and Precision Delta 115gr FMJ best accuracy from my CZ75s is with 4.2-4.3 gr TG (~1100fps)


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Post by Wobbley on 2/16/2018, 3:53 pm

There was a “Pet Loads” article in Handloader magazine about a year ago.  Titegroup was one of the powders tested and the author of the piece found 4.5 gr Titegroup gave the best accuracy with 200 grain lead bullets.  


As always, YMMV.
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Post by James Hensler on 2/16/2018, 5:12 pm

I read that!
You guys have all been helpful and I appreciate it

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Post by james r chapman on 2/16/2018, 6:23 pm

Warning! Notes: Handgun; case: Winchester; primer: Fed. 150; barrel length/make: 5" Douglas; twist: 1-16"; bullets: 185 GR Nosler Custom Competition JHP or 230 GR Nosler Sporting Handgun Pistol FMJ or JHP; OACL: 1.200"; maximum OACL: 1.275". Use Maximum Loads with Caution
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Wt.BulletPowder ManufacturerPowderChargeVelocity (FPS)Favorite?
185Nosler Custom Competition JHPHodgdonTitegroup5.7980
Remarks: max
185Nosler Custom Competition JHPHodgdonTitegroup5.2916
Remarks: most accurate load tested
185Nosler Custom Competition JHPHodgdonTitegroup4.7852
Remarks:
230Nosler Sporting Handgun Pistol FMJ or JHPHodgdonTitegroup4.7802
Remarks: max
230Nosler Sporting Handgun Pistol FMJ or JHPHodgdonTitegroup4.2708
Remarks: most accurate load tested
230Nosler Sporting Handgun Pistol FMJ or JHPHodgdonTitegroup3.7616
Remarks:
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Post by Jack H on 2/16/2018, 8:20 pm

4.8 TG was my top EIC SF load with 230 FMJ
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Post by davekp on 2/17/2018, 5:58 am

Bigtrout wrote:
davekp wrote:For 9mm, with Sierra 115 fmj, 4.8gr of Titegroup.
Do the fired cases show any signs of excessive pressure?  That is the maximum load in the Hodgdon data.
No. This was suggested by an AMU armorer a few years ago when the FMJ was required for EIC.

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Post by James Hensler on 2/17/2018, 10:40 am

Jim are these results at 25 or 50?

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Post by James Hensler on 2/21/2018, 12:56 pm

Today I used my chronograph to check my 2 loads I worked up.
Full-size Remington R1 Enhanced 
185 Ranier Target Hollowpoint
WLP mixed head stamped brass

25 yard line load 

4.4 TiteGroup OAL 1.200- 1.205

30 shots with a Avg of 701

50 yard line load 

4.9 TiteGroup OAL 1.200-1.205

30shots with a Avg of 791

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