KART Conversion Orginal Instructions

Go down

KART Conversion Orginal Instructions

Post by budgetbob on 3/12/2018, 1:09 pm

Not sure if anyone is interested, but I was cleaning out the safe and came across a set of instruction for a KART conversion from around 1978.   I have attached a copy of the PDF.  Check out the 1978 price list and dream.
Attachments
KART Conversion.pdf You don't have permission to download attachments.(991 Kb) Downloaded 81 times

budgetbob

Posts : 20
Join date : 2016-02-11

Back to top Go down

Re: KART Conversion Orginal Instructions

Post by PMcfall on 3/12/2018, 1:24 pm

Thanks.  Nice to have them.
Phil
avatar
PMcfall

Posts : 68
Join date : 2011-06-16
Location : St. Joseph, MO

Back to top Go down

Re: KART Conversion Orginal Instructions

Post by fc60 on 3/12/2018, 5:09 pm

Greetings,

Many thanks for sharing this piece of History.

Cheers,

Dave
avatar
fc60

Posts : 343
Join date : 2011-06-11
Location : South Prairie, WA 98385

Back to top Go down

Re: KART Conversion Orginal Instructions

Post by Amati on 3/14/2018, 8:52 pm

Looking at the parts list in the linked pdf of the OP's post, it appears that Mr. Kart's conversion uses a different concept than the various Marvel & such kits currently available.

Good, bad or indifferent and how accurate were they? One wonders why they are no longer manufactured.

Amati

Posts : 212
Join date : 2017-12-10

Back to top Go down

Re: KART Conversion Orginal Instructions

Post by Chris Miceli on 3/14/2018, 9:52 pm

Making more money with barrels
avatar
Chris Miceli

Posts : 2189
Join date : 2015-10-27
Location : Northern Virginia

Back to top Go down

Re: KART Conversion Orginal Instructions

Post by PMcfall on 3/15/2018, 9:20 am

Last time I heard, John Dworack is still making them.  Exact copies.  I have bought parts from him for my Kart and they are nice and right.
Phil
avatar
PMcfall

Posts : 68
Join date : 2011-06-16
Location : St. Joseph, MO

Back to top Go down

Re: KART Conversion Orginal Instructions

Post by Amati on 3/15/2018, 11:34 am

Given the option which would be the better choice, a complete Kart or a Marvel on a Foster?

Amati

Posts : 212
Join date : 2017-12-10

Back to top Go down

Re: KART Conversion Orginal Instructions

Post by Chris Miceli on 3/15/2018, 12:04 pm

Amati wrote:Given the option which would be the better choice, a complete Kart or a Marvel on a Foster?
Karts were designed around iron sights. Dworark makes a shroud for optics if you can get a hold of him. They are also 6” but I believe some kart 5” are out there
avatar
Chris Miceli

Posts : 2189
Join date : 2015-10-27
Location : Northern Virginia

Back to top Go down

Re: KART Conversion Orginal Instructions

Post by robert84010 on 3/15/2018, 4:00 pm

Amati wrote:Given the option which would be the better choice, a complete Kart or a Marvel on a Foster?
Having owned multiple Kart's both 5" and 6", multiple Marvel and multiple Dvorak conversion's I can say that slapping a Marvel on your receiver of choice is the most painless way to go. Kart and Dvorak conversions take tuning, usually a lot if you have never done it,  both in magazines and recoil/main spring areas to get perfect. Getting a Kart to even slide on a Caspian/Foster frame can take significant fitting of the rails, that is just to get to slide on then all the other tuning begins.  I have no doubt that KC Crawford could tune these Kart setups quickly I just wanted to do it myself, not that I really enjoy that type of stuff. I guess I am cheap.  All of the Marvel's I have had were plug and play with only minor ammo or magazine lip adjustments.

That is my experience but I am sure others disagree. That is what we do here. That said once tuned my 5" Kart is the best feeling conversion out of them all. It took many hours to tune to perfection though.  A Dvorak conversion is close since it has an aluminum shroud over the barrel so the weight is balanced with a dot mounted. I have a 6" Marvel that balances about the same as the Dvorak but really there is no need for a 6" barrel when using a dot sight, only irons. Too bad Dvorak didn't make 5" versions.

robert84010

Posts : 485
Join date : 2011-09-21

Back to top Go down

Re: KART Conversion Orginal Instructions

Post by robert84010 on 3/15/2018, 4:14 pm



In my opinion these are not for the new shooter, whose time is better spent just shooting a Marvel designed conversion. I manage to shoot 8's with these. I too, should have spent my time training instead of hunting for hen's teeth.

robert84010

Posts : 485
Join date : 2011-09-21

Back to top Go down

Re: KART Conversion Orginal Instructions

Post by Amati on 3/15/2018, 9:17 pm




This was a brand new custom build by Clark Custom Guns on a Caspian lower with a 6" Kart upper, the extra Optics Slide and two magazines. Built,  fitted and tuned by Clark with a BE trigger action. Ransom fired with results comparable to their S&W Mod. 41 specials.
Sold by Clark directly to a prior client.

Amati

Posts : 212
Join date : 2017-12-10

Back to top Go down

Re: KART Conversion Orginal Instructions

Post by Amati on 3/17/2018, 9:33 pm

The "Description" portion of Fred Kart's U.S. Patent is impressive.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US4127056

Gave me new appreciation for his kit.

Amati

Posts : 212
Join date : 2017-12-10

Back to top Go down

Re: KART Conversion Orginal Instructions

Post by Jon Eulette on 3/17/2018, 9:45 pm

I built a Kart conversion last year. Required fitting frame/slide on Caspian. Had issues with light strikes and 5th rd locking up the pistol during ejection. Finally figured out that slidestop pin is sensitive to being inserted too deeply into the frame and a few magazine issues with contacting disconnector rail in slide. Light strikes attributed to wrong mainspring in parts bag; company put 17# in a #19 bag. Shot awesome when finished; very accurate. Also ran reliably with cci & Aguila. I wouldn't hesitate to shoot one competitively if you get it tuned correctly.
Jon
avatar
Jon Eulette

Posts : 1964
Join date : 2013-04-15
Location : Southern Kalifornia

Back to top Go down

Re: KART Conversion Orginal Instructions

Post by john bickar on 3/17/2018, 10:10 pm

Jon Eulette wrote:company put 17# in a #19 bag.

Quite the opposite of my boss, who routinely expects me to fit 10# in a 5# bag.
avatar
john bickar

Posts : 888
Join date : 2011-07-09
Location : Menlo Park, CA

Back to top Go down

Re: KART Conversion Orginal Instructions

Post by Jon Eulette on 3/17/2018, 10:44 pm

john bickar wrote:
Jon Eulette wrote:company put 17# in a #19 bag.

Quite the opposite of my boss, who routinely expects me to fit 10# in a 5# bag.

John I love your sense of humor...keep'em coming....lol
Jon
avatar
Jon Eulette

Posts : 1964
Join date : 2013-04-15
Location : Southern Kalifornia

Back to top Go down

Re: KART Conversion Orginal Instructions

Post by Amati on 3/18/2018, 7:57 am

Jon Eulette wrote:I built a Kart conversion last year. 
Jon
Sounds as if you really liked it. Was it a 5" or a 6" and was it an original Fred Kart or John Dworak's kit?


Last edited by Amati on 3/18/2018, 10:13 am; edited 1 time in total

Amati

Posts : 212
Join date : 2017-12-10

Back to top Go down

Re: KART Conversion Orginal Instructions

Post by Jon Eulette on 3/18/2018, 10:10 am

6" original with Dworak scope mount shroud.
Jon
avatar
Jon Eulette

Posts : 1964
Join date : 2013-04-15
Location : Southern Kalifornia

Back to top Go down

Re: KART Conversion Orginal Instructions

Post by Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum