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Post by james r chapman on Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:08 pm

Ok, I know, don't go just by looks. It's a curiosity thing.
This powder is used in the Zero 185 jhp match loads.
it was 4.54 gr's

I'm thinking something from Alliant. Hodgdon Clays!
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Post by 243winxb on Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:55 pm

Its always fun to guess. Contact the company.  https://www.zerobullets.com/contact.htm

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Re: Identify this powder!

Post by john bickar on Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:18 pm

Jim:

http://www.ilrc.ucf.edu/powders/sample_detail.php
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Post by james r chapman on Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:59 pm

john bickar wrote:Jim:

http://www.ilrc.ucf.edu/powders/sample_detail.php
Thanks John, I have that from another thread.
it's a curiosity thing. I really will/should just ask them.
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Post by MarkOue on Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:47 pm

Jim,

Commercially licensed ammunition loaders have powders available to them that are not available to the public.  It's best to contact Zero to be safe.

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Post by james r chapman on Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:05 pm

thanks Mark, I understand that.
But, generally, something close can usually be intuitively figured out.
it's clearly not Bullseye, a Winchester ball powder, IMR or VV...lol
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Post by james r chapman on Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:09 pm

for example,

from the Hodgdon website reloading app
Hodgdon
Clays
.451"
1.135"

4.5
855
14,500 CUP

bet it's pretty close to the 4.5 gr's and 824fps I chrono'd their loads at...
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Re: Identify this powder!

Post by expendable on Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:14 pm

700X  ?
I see some light greenish gray flecks

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Post by james r chapman on Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:55 pm

expendable wrote:700X  ?
I see some light greenish gray flecks
possibly....


700x on the top
or was it the bottom???
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Post by rreid on Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:13 pm

Most likely 700X .I talked to Fred at Canp Perry a couple years ago and he was saying how much he likes 700X and accurate it is.
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Re: Identify this powder!

Post by Orpanaut on Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:08 am

I, too, heard that Zero uses 700X in their .45 loads with the 185 grain JHP. Someone in the Zero shop on Commercial Row told me that when I told them how much I liked their ammo and asked which powder they used.

When I bought some 700X and tried to duplicate the Zero load, I discovered that it's a coarse, flaky powder that meters like cornflakes. I still like the Zero 185 gram JHP but I've moved on to other powders.

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Post by Keyholed on Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:58 am

The only thing that stops me from saying it's IMR 700X is that it lacks the really bright-yellow "markers" found in 700X and 800X. Appears to have the same "ruffly" edges of 700X. I would say that it looks closer to what BE86 does (on the internet, anyway), except the charge weight is about 2.5-3 grains too light.

Unless those lighter flakes at 6 o'clock, 8:30, and 9:30 are lighter than they look.

It's not Clays--wrong color. Too light to be HP-38, not shiny enough to be Titegroup.

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Post by atrfod on Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:17 pm

It kind of reminds me of American Select from Alliant.Maybe Clay Dot?-Mike

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Re: Identify this powder!

Post by james r chapman on Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:53 pm

And, the winner is,
(Drumroll)
From ZERO

700X !!
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Post by Wobbley on Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:07 pm

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Post by Oleg G on Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:23 pm

According to an email I received from Zero in May of last year: "The 45 185 JHP ammo  is currently loaded with 4.3 grains of 700-X powder, with a velocity of around 800 fps."
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Re: Identify this powder!

Post by james r chapman on Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:42 pm

The one I pulled yielded 4.54 grains of 700X.
I chrono'd it at 824 fps.
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