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Post by Dockokol on Mon May 07, 2018 3:56 pm

I remember seeing a document that had photos that showed where to add or subtract material to move align the sights for an anatomical grip.  It had something like "to move the gun right, add material here.  Does anyone have a copy or a link to that?

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Post by Mike38 on Mon May 07, 2018 6:03 pm

Is this the one? http://www.pistol-shooting.com/grip-modifications.php

It pained me to rasp away / add to a $250 set of grips, but it sure helps.
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Post by Jon Eulette on Mon May 07, 2018 9:33 pm

You know I hate to say it, but I have not seen any really good advice or direction on fitting grip. Unless you’ve had one fit and have seen what they are paying attention to it’s very difficult. Unfortunately most of the grip makers in the US really don’t know what they are doing. That’s why most of your top shooters are using CMM grips on their .22 pistols making it more like a 1911 grip that is forgiving. So make your changes and don’t be scared to do it all over again. You will learn from your mistakes and your wins. I battled with my grips for years. I finally had Cesar Morini make them and went on to shoot personal best with them all right afterwards. 
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Post by Ed Hall on Mon May 07, 2018 10:30 pm

Not to be a naysayer, but:
To make the pistol point right, remove from point “C”.
seems backward.  Of course, I could be wrong...

Another bit of modification information can be seen in Nygord's Notes:

Modifying Your Pistol's Grip (Parts I and II)

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Post by Dockokol on Tue May 08, 2018 8:57 am

Thank you all.  I'm going to start the process this weekend.

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Post by Amati on Tue May 08, 2018 9:17 am

The 1911 geometry isn't good to me so I kept ordering grips, US and Europe,  and filling a cabinet with them. Only Dick Horton took his back and gave me a full refund, thanks Dick. 

Then I followed my son's advice, got a set of Sharkskins, spaced the right side out by 3/16" , installed an arched MSH and now the grip is so good that I can't stop dry-firing. 
And one more thing, the grip of the Feinwerkbau out of the box is otherworldly.

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Post by Tim:H11 on Tue May 08, 2018 10:04 am

To fit anatomical grips - 

Step 1: Take grips off. 
Step 2: Put slab side grips on. 
Step 3: Shoot gun.
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Post by Chris Miceli on Tue May 08, 2018 10:51 am

Vlad of Pardini will fit pardini grips, just go see him in Tampa.  For the rest, its just a flight across the pond to Morini or Rink.
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Post by carykiteboarder on Tue May 08, 2018 11:46 am

Tim:H11 wrote:To fit anatomical grips - 

Step 1: Take grips off. 
Step 2: Put slab side grips on. 
Step 3: Shoot gun.

Slab grips don't fit all hands.
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Post by jmdavis on Tue May 08, 2018 12:01 pm

carykiteboarder wrote:
Tim:H11 wrote:To fit anatomical grips - 

Step 1: Take grips off. 
Step 2: Put slab side grips on. 
Step 3: Shoot gun.

Slab grips don't fit all hands.

And there are some great shooters who say that ortho grips fit no hands. All I can say, is that I have become more consistent shooting slabs for everything than I was shooting ortho for 22 and slabs for 45. But, I have small hands and short to medium fingers.
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Post by SW-52 on Tue May 08, 2018 2:45 pm

Tim:H11 wrote:To fit anatomical grips - 

Step 1: Take grips off. 
Step 2: Put slab side grips on. 
Step 3: Shoot gun.
+1,love slabs.
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Post by Sa-tevp on Tue May 08, 2018 11:23 pm

Jon Eulette wrote:You know I hate to say it, but I have not seen any really good advice or direction on fitting grip. Unless you’ve had one fit and have seen what they are paying attention to it’s very difficult. Unfortunately most of the grip makers in the US really don’t know what they are doing. That’s why most of your top shooters are using CMM grips on their .22 pistols making it more like a 1911 grip that is forgiving. So make your changes and don’t be scared to do it all over again. You will learn from your mistakes and your wins. I battled with my grips for years. I finally had Cesar Morini make them and went on to shoot personal best with them all right afterwards. 
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After working with grips for five years on my pistols (air pistol, free pistol and standard pistol) and collecting and studying everything I can find in any language I totally agree with Jon. It is one thing to study a guide and a completely different learning experience to semi-apprentice with a master grip fitter. I recently shot with a member of the US international team and grilled him extensively on his experience with grip fitting. Probably the biggest take-away from our conversation was that while the shooter had worked on his grips for several years and thought they were very good (plus he was in an environment where he could study other's pistols), the European grip fitter he worked with removed all his work and redid the grip with strong opinions on all aspects. The international shooter was very happy with the results. I plan to take the same path as I want to know what is too little and what is too much.

To get a good idea of how dogbutt ugly/beautiful a properly fit grip looks scroll down to near the bottom of this thread on Targettalk where the poster has a link to his Photobucket collection from having Cesare Morini fit a grip for him: The real Cesare Morini and his grips

Oh yeah, I love this video Igor of toz35.blogspot.com posted of Cesare Morini working on a grip:

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Post by john bickar on Tue May 08, 2018 11:50 pm

1. Let’s not mix apples and pomegranates here. Grips for a bullseye pistol (.22 through .45) are a completely different animal than grips for an air, free, sport, or rapid fire pistol (*). 

2. Learn a smooth, consistent, uninterrupted trigger squeeze. A perfectly fitted grip is worthless without that ability.

When Jon is talking about shooting PBs after getting a custom-fitted grip from Cesare, he had already mastered the fundamentals and was already shooting High Master-level scores at that point.

You can shoot 10s with a 2x4 for a grip. It’s a good skill to learn, because if you stick with this long enough, odds are at some point you’re going to  have to shoot a 10 with something worse than a 2x4 for a grip.

(*) Yes, I’m familiar with your edge case. I’m addressing the 90% use case here.
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Post by john bickar on Tue May 08, 2018 11:53 pm

And to address Doc’s original point, I would suggest “minimal” for modifying a grip for bullseye. I could write a book on grips...
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Post by Sa-tevp on Wed May 09, 2018 12:09 am

Go fat early. A Bob Chow High Standard in the Show Me Your Bullseye Pistol thread:



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Post by john bickar on Wed May 09, 2018 12:11 am

Mike38 wrote:Is this the one? http://www.pistol-shooting.com/grip-modifications.php

It pained me to rasp away / add to a $250 set of grips, but it sure helps.

Chapter 1: Ugly Grips Shoot
Chapter 2: Did You Not Read Chapter One? Let’s Get Going with the Dremel and Bondo
Chapter 3: Shit, That Didn’t Work. Time for More Dremel and More Bondo
Chapter 4: In for a Penny, in for a Pound 
Chapter 5: Achieving Scores You Once Believed Were Routine 
Chapter 6: Where Did All of This Dust Come from? Will It Give Me Cancer?
Chapter 7: Hm, OK. Let’s Try This for a While 
Chapter 8: Ugly Grips Shoot
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Post by Jon Eulette on Wed May 09, 2018 1:44 am

Sa-tevp wrote:Go fat early. A Bob Chow High Standard in the Show Me Your Bullseye Pistol thread:



Ruby Fox had a Chow HS that the rear frame was modified similar to this. It felt really good. 
Grips are very personal but unfortunately ignorance can be bliss. It’s very easy to chase your tail. It’s a shame we really don’t have opportunities to learn how to fit grips correctly. I only know what is right because of my time with Morini. It’s hard to teach grip fitting or gunsmithing online.
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Post by JKR on Wed May 09, 2018 8:40 am

Jon,

I recently bought an air pistol from George Ross. It has a beautiful Morini grip that he told me he had made by Cesar when he was over there shooting. He said He, Ruby, and Doc all went together to have grips made. They actually fit me quite well and I would never change them because of their history. 

Jerry also has a Morini grip that he had made for a GSP. It feels like it was made for my hand. If I could ever talk him out of it, I buy a pistol to put in it!

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