CMP Rifle and Pistol rule 5.1.6

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CMP Rifle and Pistol rule 5.1.6

Post by TexasC on 5/28/2018, 10:24 am

CMP rule 5.1.6
e) Excessive Hits. If there are 11 or more hits on a target or if the competitor fired fewer than 10 shots and there are more hits than the number of shots fired by the competitor:
 • The scorer and Range Officer must determine if one or more shots came a different caliber pistol. If yes, those extra shot(s) must be nullified and the remaining shots on the target scored.
 • If all hits are equal value, the required number of hits must be scored.
 • If the competitor fired more than 10 shots, the 10 lowest value hits must be scored.
 • If more than 10 hits remain to be scored, the competitor must refire the entire 10-shot series, but the competitor may not receive a score that is higher than the required number of shots of highest value on the original target. If this occurs, the 10 highest value hits on the original target must be scored and credited to the competitor.

Now the story, I in a fit of inattention crossfired my third shot of the slow fire stage of a .22lr EIC NMC I realized this before my fifth shot but can't unring that bell!! Sure enough when my scorer came up insufficient we checked and found excessive shots on the target to my immediate right. MY understanding of the rules are that the wronged competitor takes the 10 best shots of the 11 and that is that. No where in this rule copied above does it state that the wronged competitor can elect to refire, I think that there is only one REQUIRED refire and that is if 2 or more competitors fire on the same target with most of their shots! Anyway the wronged competitor was told he had a choice to refire, and did, but with the caveat that his score could not exceed whatever was on the crossfired target. WHAT???  Where it says equal value I think that refers to bullet diameter. 
So can you guys put this in laymen's terms, because it seems to me someone made goolosh out of this rule.

Mike

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Post by cdrt on 5/28/2018, 1:47 pm

I had excessive hits at Perry during the President's 100.  A guy two targets down crossfired.  I elected the refire.  They scored the low 10 and the high 10.  The rule is, whatever I shot could not exceed the high ten.  I shot exactly what the high ten was.  If I had not elected to refire, I would have got the low ten.  The refire was worth ten extra points.
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Post by Ed Hall on 5/28/2018, 2:32 pm

Note that this is a changed rule for this year.

Except for the choice of refiring, all was correct.  The competitor was required to refire ("...competitor must refire...").  With excessive hits, why would the competitor get the best 10?**  What if the extra hits were all in the X, but they had shot nowhere near it?  In NRA, the competitor has the choice of accepting the low 10 or refiring with the same scoring caveat of receiving no more than the first target's high score, but CMP is more restrictive in its refire requirement now.

**If competitors were given the high ten or were allowed a higher score than their first target, some might fire extra rounds onto their own target in an attempt to raise their scores either by high ten score or a new target score.

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Re: CMP Rifle and Pistol rule 5.1.6

Post by TexasC on 5/28/2018, 4:42 pm

Thanks guys, so the rule is a contiguous flow not an either or. If a different caliber is present count the caliber of the shooter if however they are all the same (as in my OP) then the shooter states if he/she has fired more than 10 or do a survey to find an insufficient target (easy it was right next door) if the target is found to have a crossfire on it then it is required that the shooter refire. The shooter's refire  score cannot exceed the high 10 on the original target.

Daryl thanks for the response it helped turn on the dim bulb!

Ed, thanks I think I have got it now, but if a competitor shoots extra there is no benefit because the low ten are counted if no insufficient targets are reported and that competitor is likely to pickup the "cheater" moniker or rep. The rule above is specific about this instance.

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Post by Ed Hall on 5/28/2018, 5:53 pm

TexasC wrote:...
Ed, thanks I think I have got it now, but if a competitor shoots extra there is no benefit because the low ten are counted if no insufficient targets are reported and that competitor is likely to pickup the "cheater" moniker or rep. The rule above is specific about this instance.

Mike
Hey Mike,

I would suggest not being too quick to hang monikers.  What if the person who crossfired added in an eleventh round so they wouldn't be deficient?  Or, the shooter was loading from a bulk pack and got six in one of their magazines?  Or, ...  You get the idea.

I will add that more often shooters are tempted to bend/break rules when they don't want to let teammates down.  But, all shooters and observers should be careful.  It is easy to misinterpret something.

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