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Post by Sheriff1962 9/2/2018, 7:27 pm

I asked about center hold for 50 and 25.  I appreciate the input from everyone.

Here is my question. Assuming we are shooting outdoors and there is plenty of light, what advantage can center hold offer to  a shooter who is somewhat new to BE ?

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Post by Chris Miceli 9/2/2018, 7:48 pm

New shooters are less distracted by the bull so a deep sub 6 is recommended. Winners shoot center hold. It’s all personal taste

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Post by CR10X 9/2/2018, 8:18 pm

I've shot sub six and won one or two times.....

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Post by Jack H 9/2/2018, 8:24 pm

There are many thing for better advantage than where to hold.
Your fundamentals
dedication
time spent
Attitude
Physical condition
Trigger
just to name some in no particular order
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Post by mikemyers 9/2/2018, 8:27 pm

As someone who was new to BE at the time this advice was given to me, the reason why sub-6 is better is that it was difficult for me to align the black front sight, in front of the black rear sight, while looking at the black bull.  When the people here suggested sub-6, and after I eventually gave in and tried it, I found they were right.  This was all in bright sunlight, so plenty of light.  By looking at the alignment of the black sights over a white background, it was MUCH easier to get my sights where they needed to be, and to keep them there.

I guess I was sort of stubborn about it, as I really wanted to shoot center hold, but the advice they gave me worked.  

My advice - instead of wondering, like I did for way too long, just try it.  I think you'll find out for yourself, just as I did.
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Post by Sheriff1962 9/2/2018, 11:53 pm

Chris Miceli wrote:New shooters are less distracted by the bull so a deep sub 6 is recommended. Winners shoot center hold. It’s all personal taste
Thank You . 

I have a lot of shooting experience , just not BE.  Winners shoot center hold. You mean with iron sights or a red dot?

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Post by Wobbley 9/3/2018, 8:18 am

Both.
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Post by Sheriff1962 9/3/2018, 12:35 pm

Wobbley wrote:Both.

I see . OK.  Let me understand this correctly . Top shooters offten shoot center hold with iron sights 50 and 25. They aim at the center of the bullseye.  I allways thought six o'clock was the norm .

Now.  I honestly never heard of sub six o'clock hold . WIth sub six o'clock hold where exactly do You place Your sights?

Also , do people offten use one hold at 50 and another at 25?

I always shot 6 o'clock . Recently I tried center hold and found it more natural ESPECIALLY at 50 yards.  I have to try it at 25 again.

Never tried sub six o'clock and would like to know where exactly to place my sights.

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Post by james r chapman 9/3/2018, 1:04 pm

Center for dot.
Irons, center if you have good focus on front/rear sight.
Sub 6 can be a full diameter below the center.

That wy if you touch the black it's a hi 8
Low it's a lot 8.

Easier to focus on left center right sight alignment
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Post by Sheriff1962 9/3/2018, 1:22 pm

james r chapman wrote:Center for dot.
Irons, center if you have good focus on front/rear sight.
Sub 6 can be a full diameter below the center.

That wy if you touch the black it's a hi 8
Low it's a lot 8.

Easier to focus on left center right sight alignment

so say  I decide to try sub six oclock . Where should my sights be on target?

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Post by Chris Miceli 9/3/2018, 1:35 pm

Sheriff1962 wrote:
james r chapman wrote:Center for dot.
Irons, center if you have good focus on front/rear sight.
Sub 6 can be a full diameter below the center.

That wy if you touch the black it's a hi 8
Low it's a lot 8.

Easier to focus on left center right sight alignment

so say  I decide to try sub six oclock . Where should my sights be on target?
Everyone is different, I’ve noticed you posted a lot asking what other do . You mentioned you are an experienced shooter. No need to change everything.

Some will hold a halfway point from the bottom of bull bottom of target Or anywhere from there to the target

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Post by Sheriff1962 9/3/2018, 6:46 pm

OK. Thank You everybody for Your input.  For years , when I practice BE style shooting for fun, I aim at the bottom of the bull there is white space between the top of my sights and bottom of the bull. A very THIN space . What kind of a hold is that??? I thought that is a six o'clock hold .

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Post by Chris Miceli 9/3/2018, 6:55 pm

Sheriff1962 wrote:OK. Thank You everybody for Your input.  For years , when I practice BE style shooting for fun, I aim at the bottom of the bull there is white space between the top of my sights and bottom of the bull. A very THIN space . What kind of a hold is that??? I thought that is a six o'clock hold .
i'd call that a sub 6

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Post by Sheriff1962 9/3/2018, 7:03 pm

Chris Miceli wrote:
Sheriff1962 wrote:OK. Thank You everybody for Your input.  For years , when I practice BE style shooting for fun, I aim at the bottom of the bull there is white space between the top of my sights and bottom of the bull. A very THIN space . What kind of a hold is that??? I thought that is a six o'clock hold .
i'd call that a sub 6
Great . LOL .  So all these years , I thought I was using six o'clock hold.  So......  If I am aiming below the black and there is ANY amount of white between top of my front sights and black bull, it is indeed a sub six o'clock ? Ok,then what is a true six o'clock hold then?

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Post by Chris Miceli 9/3/2018, 7:25 pm

Sheriff1962 wrote:
Chris Miceli wrote:
Sheriff1962 wrote:OK. Thank You everybody for Your input.  For years , when I practice BE style shooting for fun, I aim at the bottom of the bull there is white space between the top of my sights and bottom of the bull. A very THIN space . What kind of a hold is that??? I thought that is a six o'clock hold .
i'd call that a sub 6
Great . LOL .  So all these years , I thought I was using six o'clock hold.  So......  If I am aiming below the black and there is ANY amount of white between top of my front sights and black bull, it is indeed a sub six o'clock ? Ok,then what is a true six o'clock hold then?
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Post by james r chapman 9/3/2018, 7:29 pm

here I will disagree.
a 6 is just touching or a thin white.
a sub 6 will be about where the bottom of a repair center would be.
a deep sub 6 would be about the diameter of the black below the black...
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Post by SMBeyer 9/3/2018, 7:35 pm

Sheriff1962 wrote:
james r chapman wrote:Center for dot.
Irons, center if you have good focus on front/rear sight.
Sub 6 can be a full diameter below the center.

That wy if you touch the black it's a hi 8
Low it's a lot 8.

Easier to focus on left center right sight alignment

so say  I decide to try sub six oclock . Where should my sights be on target?
if you pick a spot, any spot, you are totally defeating the purpose of a sub six hold.  The idea of a sub six hold is to get you away from concerning yourself with the target and concentrating on sight alignment and trigger control.  Two things that are much more important than where the target is.  You let your subconscious pick were where to hold.  This is not an easy thing to do if you have never done it because you are used to wanting to be in control of where the front sight is in relation to the target and your not gonna want to give up that control.

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Post by james r chapman 9/6/2018, 8:27 am

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Post by john bickar 9/6/2018, 9:40 am

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Post by Sheriff1962 9/6/2018, 9:06 pm

james r chapman wrote:Found these online, courtesy, John Bickar

Thank You. So I guess I was using a kind of six oclock hold.  With only a tiny white line between the bull and my sights . Going to try center hold . So what does a correct TRUE six oclock hold looks like ?

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Post by john bickar 9/6/2018, 10:05 pm

Sheriff1962 wrote: So what does a correct TRUE six oclock hold looks like ?

It looks like something you'll only ever see for a few milliseconds, and - like the light from distant stars - its time will have passed by the time you see it.
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Post by Sheriff1962 9/9/2018, 11:16 am

You mean there is no light or just tiny line of light ? When I aim , there is an obvious, easily seen line of white between my sights and the bull.

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Post by james r chapman 9/9/2018, 6:06 pm

Sheriff1962 wrote:You mean there is no light or just tiny line of light ? When I aim , there is an obvious, easily seen line of white between my sights and the bull.

Yes.
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