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Can I shoot the same load in a S&W Model 14 as the Model 52 ?

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Post by mikemyers Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:16 pm

Is there any reason why this load for the S&W Model 52 would not be appropriate for use in the Model 14 revolver?

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2.7 / 2.8 grains Bullseye powder
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Post by james r chapman Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:02 pm

Does it look like this. Then yes.

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Post by mikemyers Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:07 pm

Yep, looks just like that, but not as shiny!    :-)

If it didn't look like that, it wouldn't work in the M-52.

(If you took that photo, very nicely done!!!!!)
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Post by james r chapman Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:35 pm

No, it's a precision Delta pic.
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Post by John Dervis Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:02 pm

mikemyers wrote:Yep, looks just like that, but not as shiny!    :-)

If it didn't look like that, it wouldn't work in the M-52.

(If you took that photo, very nicely done!!!!!)

If you are asking a question about it working in the M-52 then yes it should be seated flush to the mouth of the case.  The M-52 can be finicky about the OAL.  For the M-14 it doesn't matter. That 2.7 BE load is what I used for years in both.


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Post by mikemyers Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:30 pm

Thanks, I probably didn't ask that clearly enough.

I used to shoot 22, 38, and 45.  
It was suggested that I put away everything, and concentrate on the 22, which I've done.
Everything is all set for loading more rounds for the M-52, and my question was whether that was good for the Model 14.

I wanted to get better at Bullseye, but I also want something I can shoot just for the pleasure of shooting it.  That led to my bidding on a Model 14-4 at GunBroker, with 8 3/8" barrel, which I just got this morning.  I was hoping I could use the same ammo for both the M-52 and M-14.  I figured I should ask here, in case I was wrong.
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Post by kjanracing Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:43 pm

I used the same ammo between the two. OAL matters on the 52 in that if it’s too long, the round won’t fit in the magazine. It won’t matter in the 14.
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Post by desben Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:21 am

So we're saying ammo for the 52 will work in the 14, but not necessarily the other way around  Smile
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Post by mikemyers Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:34 am

If the bullet protrudes from the case, even slightly, the round will not load on the Semi-Auto Model 52.  The gun is extremely picky about this.   

On the other hand, the Model 14 is a revolver, so that extremely tight length tolerance required by the Model 52 would not apply.  As I understand it, any 38 Special round you can buy over the counter would work properly.  To get the most accuracy, either gun is capable of, I suspect hand loaded rounds would be more precise (unless you can still find ammo produced for Bullseye shooting in the Model 52, which is usually difficult. 

In my case, based on the feedback here, I will load all rounds as if I was going to shoot them in the M-52, and then use them in either gun.
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Post by BE Mike Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:22 am

I hope that a .38 Spl load with a hollow based wadcutter, designed for the S&W model 52 works well in a S&W model 14. I've been shooting them for decades in my model 52, as well as, all of the .38 Spl and .357 mag. revolvers that I own or have ever owned! Laughing I love the KISS principle of ammo that works in a variety of handguns. A double ended bullet load will shoot well in the revolvers, and function in the model 52, but might not get the desired accuracy out of the semi-auto. Forget a button nose cast wadcutter in the model 52, but it would be fine in the .38 Spl/ .357 revolver.
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Post by mikemyers Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:26 am

BE Mike wrote:.......A double ended bullet load will shoot well in the revolvers, and function in the model 52, but might not get the desired accuracy out of the semi-auto.......
What is a "double ended bullet load" ?   Do you mean a bullet that is "flat" on each end?
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Post by Wobbley Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:15 am

Yup.  That’s what he meant.  This catalog page shows several examplesCan I shoot the same load in a S&W Model 14 as the Model 52 ? 6fc82910The 219 is an example of the DE style.
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Post by mikemyers Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:10 pm

So, "DE" (double end) is considered "PB" for "plain base".

Does that mean Magnus #514 bullets are "BB", for "beveled" ?

The only three choices on this chart are PB, BB, and GC (gas check).  

While I'm asking, is Maguns #514 a number Terry selected for his bullets (as I always assumed), or is it  some kind of standard?
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Post by Wobbley Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:38 pm

DE WC can be plain Base or bevel Base.  They were created for commercial and large scale reloaders as they didn’t have to worry about bullet orientation during seating.
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Post by BE Mike Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:42 am

mikemyers wrote:
BE Mike wrote:.......A double ended bullet load will shoot well in the revolvers, and function in the model 52, but might not get the desired accuracy out of the semi-auto.......
What is a "double ended bullet load" ?   Do you mean a bullet that is "flat" on each end?
Yes. If you are going to load one load for revolvers and your model 52, I suggest loading a swaged hollow base wadcutter bullet, seated flush or slightly below flush the case mouth. Load for a velocity of around 730-760 feet per second.
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Post by weber1b Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:39 am

Any load the 52 will shoot should work in the 14. However if your thought is to shoot for Distinguished Revolver, then the answer is no. The DR load is a 158 grain lead, round nose or SWC.

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Post by john1644 Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:38 pm

shoot 2.8 bullseye also in my -1 and -2 ............works just fine

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Post by KuduKing Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:36 pm

My Model 14 shoots more accurately with cast DEWC than the HBWC.  Model 52-2, versa vice.

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Post by mikemyers Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:55 pm

kjanracing wrote:I used the same ammo between the two. OAL matters on the 52 in that if it’s too long, the round won’t fit in the magazine. It won’t matter in the 14.
I'm just shooting these guns for the pleasure of shooting them.  I will continue to load ammo as if it's for the Model 52, and when I wish to, shoot the same ammo in my Model 14, or my old Model 28 Highway Patrolman.
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