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Post by mpolans 11/17/2018, 10:49 pm

So I see some top shooters lift their shoulders upward toward their cheek.  I normally don't, but I figured I'd give it a try a few times.  
Maybe it's because my shoulder is weaker, or I'm just not used to it, but I'm not seeing any benefit...just increased tension and fatigue in my shoulder.
What's the theory behind it?

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Post by john bickar 11/17/2018, 11:43 pm

I think that's a Marine Corps thing. Not sure why. I'm as curious as you are.
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Post by Jack H 11/18/2018, 1:37 am

This is a case of whatever works.  Based on your various muscle conditions, it could go any way the stronger set of muscles work the best.
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Post by Jack H 11/18/2018, 2:01 am

I took a moment to look up muscle names.  Never mind that.  It's too complicated. 
Just do your pushups, Military press, and rowing machine exercises.  A lot of tennis helps too.
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Post by joy2shoot 11/18/2018, 7:32 am

The main reason I was told (by a 2660+ HM who actually does it), the cheek in shoulder stance helps ensure he has the same stance each time.  He is very big on having the same stance, grip, etc. every time (as should we all).  i.e. This gives him a consist and repeatable stance and position.  He also mentioned it aids some with recoil/recovery management.  His stance is also a full 'duelist' stance.  He calls it full bladed to the target.
 
I have tried it, and like mpolans, it added extra tension and discomfort to certain muscles in my arm and neck.  But being in my late 60's could be the reason for that.

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Post by bruce martindale 11/18/2018, 8:09 am

Sanderson always did it that way but many other top shooters do not.

It also goes back to the question on wrist and head angle

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Post by PMcfall 11/18/2018, 9:29 am

I always heard it tightens the arm and wrist making it more like one unit.
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Post by james r chapman 11/18/2018, 12:18 pm

PMcfall wrote:I always heard it tightens the arm and wrist making it more like one unit.
 Phil


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Post by PMcfall 11/19/2018, 8:27 am

I was having trouble with my arm getting a little loose as I progressed into the sustained fire string.  A friend, who was a 2650+ shooter, told me to raise my shoulder to cure it.  Guess what, it did.
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Post by bruce martindale 11/19/2018, 10:23 am

Can't argue with that!

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Post by joy2shoot 11/19/2018, 12:19 pm

PMcfall wrote:I was having trouble with my arm getting a little loose as I progressed into the sustained fire string.  A friend, who was a 2650+ shooter, told me to raise my shoulder to cure it.  Guess what, it did.
Phil
Phil, how far did you find that you have to raise your shoulder?  Just a little?  Or until you made contact with jaw/cheek?   Thanks.

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Post by PMcfall 11/19/2018, 1:30 pm

Just raised the shoulder until my arm tightened.  I shoot with my head upright so it would be difficult to get it to my cheek.  obviously everyone is built differently and some may be able to weld the two, but I don't think its necessary.
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Post by Jon Eulette 11/19/2018, 2:14 pm

PMcfall wrote:I was having trouble with my arm getting a little loose as I progressed into the sustained fire string.  A friend, who was a 2650+ shooter, told me to raise my shoulder to cure it.  Guess what, it did.
Phil

So how much improvement did you see on SF and short line average scores from this one change?
Thanks
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Post by PMcfall 11/19/2018, 3:16 pm

Biggest difference for me, was the 4th and 5th  shots on short line.  With the arm tight, shots were 9's and 10's and when it was starting to loosen, 8's and 9's with a rare 7. 
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Post by TAB 11/20/2018, 11:44 pm

Presuming I understand the question and descriptions in the answers, here's another viewpoint.

https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t9696-shoulder-effect?highlight=shoulder+blade

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Post by james r chapman 11/21/2018, 8:44 am

TAB wrote:Presuming I understand the question and descriptions in the answers, here's another viewpoint.

https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t9696-shoulder-effect?highlight=shoulder+blade

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thanks for the refresher..
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