Which Reloading Press?

Page 2 of 3 Previous  1, 2, 3  Next

Go down

Which Reloading Press?

Post by Tim:H11 on Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:16 am

First topic message reminder :

Lets talk reloading presses for a moment. When it comes to a reloading press I've enjoyed, have come to love, and based on my experiences highly recommend the Dillon 550. However, the Dillon 550 in my possession is not mine. I've been borrowing it from my pistol coach/mentor for over a year now. Things are soon to change for me involving a move to a another state and I will be returning the Dillon 550 to it's owner. 

I will probably not have a great need for another reloading press in the future for quite some time but I would still like to have one of my own for my own personal use when the time calls for it. After looking into the cost of the Dillon presses and the accessories and attachments the cost is great. This of course only makes me appreciate the loan of the press I have that much more. But it also is a damper because I'm not about to spend that kind of money on a press that may not be used much so sadly I have to find a different rig. 

So for other options besides a Dillon... what's affordable that still manufactures ammunition in a relatively quick manner that doesn't have a bunch of quirks or issues?

Tell me your experiences good and bad. Thank you.
Tim:H11
Tim:H11

Posts : 1585
Join date : 2015-11-04
Age : 30
Location : Columba, TN

Back to top Go down


Re: Which Reloading Press?

Post by Tim:H11 on Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:45 pm

Looks like I'll lay in wait for a good deal on a used Dillon or save up and in a year or two buy a new rig. Thanks all.
Tim:H11
Tim:H11

Posts : 1585
Join date : 2015-11-04
Age : 30
Location : Columba, TN

Back to top Go down

Re: Which Reloading Press?

Post by Jack H on Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:06 pm

What calibres?
Just 45?
Jack H
Jack H

Posts : 1690
Join date : 2011-06-10
Location : Oregon

Back to top Go down

Re: Which Reloading Press?

Post by Sc0 on Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:46 pm

Another vote for the Dillon BL550, can use a traditional powder measure and dump the charge in the AT500 powder die using the funnel.  Also hand prime cases while watching tv, I normally hand prime anyway except when doing larger production runs.  Dealer price runs a tad under $250, not a bad deal for a 4 station press.

The 650 is great but has a learning curve until you understand the settings and adjustments, mistakes take longer to clear.  The 1050 is the best with more stations and deswager for the primer pocket but it's pricey!

Sc0

Posts : 180
Join date : 2013-12-29
Location : Houston, TX

Back to top Go down

Re: Which Reloading Press?

Post by zanemoseley on Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:41 pm

Personally I never recommend a press to someone for pistol loading unless it has either auto index or a 5th stage for a powder check, having both is ideal (650 & LNL AP). Its simply too easy to have a double charge with a manual index and no check, with a 45 target load you could even triple charge and possibly not notice the powder level. Heck if you damage one match barrel you could have paid for more than the difference between a 550 and a decked out 650.

Personally I think the Hornady LNL AP is a great value, I have 2 of them, one for small primer and the other large. Once you learn how to use and maintain them they make as good a ammo as any. I also just got a Dillon SDB for loading 32 S&W, there are more custom accessories for the SDB and Dillon that helped with the 32. I've not used the SDB much yet but seems nice, the shell plate advance isn't nearly as smooth as it is on the LNL.

What ever you get be sure to go to Inline Fabrication for a strong mount and other nice goodies. My shop looks like I'm sponsored by Inline lol, if only.

zanemoseley

Posts : 1083
Join date : 2015-07-11

Back to top Go down

Re: Which Reloading Press?

Post by Jack H on Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:22 pm

The 550 is very versatile for multiple calibres.  But not for high volume single calibre loading.  650 or LnL would be minimum for volume.  Maybe SDB if loading jacketed only.  Budget might say Lee.  There are so many "it depends" involved.
Jack H
Jack H

Posts : 1690
Join date : 2011-06-10
Location : Oregon

Back to top Go down

Re: Which Reloading Press?

Post by Tim:H11 on Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:31 pm

Just 45 ACP
Tim:H11
Tim:H11

Posts : 1585
Join date : 2015-11-04
Age : 30
Location : Columba, TN

Back to top Go down

Re: Which Reloading Press?

Post by STEVE SAMELAK on Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:35 pm

Wellllll, you say you had to return a loaner Dillon 550.
Were there any deal breaker deficiencies?  If not why change?
I've used the Dillon 650 & Hornady L&L and agree that they are somewhat faster, until something stupid happens.  Given a choice between the 650 or L&L I'd probably go with the Hornady.  That being said  I have (2) Dillon 550s plus an old 450, and have no problems keeping my various toys fed.
STEVE SAMELAK
STEVE SAMELAK

Posts : 563
Join date : 2011-06-10

Back to top Go down

Re: Which Reloading Press?

Post by Tim:H11 on Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:47 pm

STEVE SAMELAK wrote:Wellllll, you say you had to return a loaner Dillon 550.
Were there any deal breaker deficiencies?  If not why change?
I've used the Dillon 650 & Hornady L&L and agree that they are somewhat faster, until something stupid happens.  Given a choice between the 650 or L&L I'd probably go with the Hornady.  That being said  I have (2) Dillon 550s plus an old 450, and have no problems keeping my various toys fed.

Cost. When I get my own press cost is what is weighing heavily on my choice. But I think I’ll just save and wait to get my own 550.
Tim:H11
Tim:H11

Posts : 1585
Join date : 2015-11-04
Age : 30
Location : Columba, TN

Back to top Go down

Re: Which Reloading Press?

Post by PhotoEscape on Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:51 pm

IMHO, I'd wait longer and save more in order to go with 650, - it is way more efficient and expandable platform.  Next step up would be a 1050 Super.
AP
PhotoEscape
PhotoEscape

Posts : 305
Join date : 2018-05-15
Location : Northern Illinois, USA

Back to top Go down

Re: Which Reloading Press?

Post by chopper on Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:41 pm

Wouldn't a 550 and a auto case feeder be a good setup? It would be a little less expensive, but not have auto index or powder check. I always check my powder and visually make sure the primer cup has a primer in it. I hated using the bullet puller because of no primer.
Stan

chopper

Posts : 223
Join date : 2013-10-29
Age : 67
Location : Western Iowa

Back to top Go down

Re: Which Reloading Press?

Post by Wobbley on Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:10 pm

The 550 and a case feeder buys you not very much.   Multiple reports of difficulties.  The 550 just wasn’t designed for a case feeder.
Wobbley
Wobbley

Posts : 1883
Join date : 2015-02-12

Back to top Go down

Re: Which Reloading Press?

Post by Aufidius on Mon Dec 24, 2018 4:40 pm

I've got both a Dillon Square Deal (later converted to a B) and a Dillon 550B. I can usually do a case (500) of 45 on the SD in about 2 hours, topping off powder, primers, checking charge weight, scratching the cat, etc. I'm in no hurry- like many here, my income isn't pegging the needle where it is more valuable than time, because, let's face it- someone has to spend the Social Security.  Smile

I can go faster on the 550- probably close to 400+ an hour, or nearly a what used to be full case (1000) in 2. If you figure you shoot x amount of 45 in a year and you want to invest y amount of time, then you can use these figures above to determine what you need to get between them, or, if you want to spend less time, then 650 or 1050. 

I've always passed on the Star stuff- not made anymore, no BS warranty as with Dillon; but, it sure is pretty to look at!

Ho ho ho!
Aufidius
Aufidius

Posts : 87
Join date : 2018-02-02

Back to top Go down

Re: Which Reloading Press?

Post by fc60 on Mon Dec 24, 2018 4:44 pm

Greetings,

"Star stuff- not made anymore"

Star is still alive and well.

I know the owner personally.

Nice guy.

Cheers,

Dave
fc60
fc60

Posts : 556
Join date : 2011-06-11
Location : South Prairie, WA 98385

Back to top Go down

Re: Which Reloading Press?

Post by Aufidius on Mon Dec 24, 2018 4:48 pm

fc60 wrote:Greetings,

"Star stuff- not made anymore"

Star is still alive and well.

I know the owner personally.

Nice guy.

Cheers,

Dave
 Oh, has something changed from this:
November 16, 2014
Dear  Star Enthusiast:

I am pleased to announce that Star Machine Works is under new management.   I have completed the purchase Star Machine Works from Bill Cunningham and everything, parts, jigs, fixtures etc. have been moved east to New Jersey.  We have completed the process of unpacking and organizing the tons (literally) of “New Old Stock” parts and look forward to serving fellow Star enthusiasts for years to come.


My goal is to provide all of the parts needed to keep these fine machines operating.   As mentioned above, I have tons of original Star parts in inventory.  Unfortunately, some parts are sold out, so I will be working to replenish stocks of those parts as quickly as possible.


I currently have no plans to produce “New” Star Universals or Progressives, but I will continue to rebuild/refurbish/refinish Star reloaders into like new condition.  The many original Star jigs and fixtures I have acquired will greatly enhance my efforts in this area.   I generally have fully rebuilt Star Universals and Progressives available for purchase.

Sincerely,
R. Bruce Williams

Because that doesn't sound like making new presses to me, no warranty, etc. 

I'm sure the guy is nice, but no new presses, no dealer network, parts only, no warranty- Dillon is a slam dunk here. Then again, some people like to buy old cars and hot rod them...
Aufidius
Aufidius

Posts : 87
Join date : 2018-02-02

Back to top Go down

Re: Which Reloading Press?

Post by Jwhelan939 on Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:15 am

This topic always ends in fighting. I've had or have a lee progressive, lnl classic, lnl ap, coax, 650, and 1050. In my experience they all have strengths and weaknesses. I think what's best for you depends on how much reloading and how many calibers. I lucked into a very cheap 1050, and I wouldn't trade it for the world! Both the 650 and the 1050 are great presses.

Jwhelan939

Posts : 453
Join date : 2013-04-27
Age : 35
Location : Pipersville, PA

Back to top Go down

Re: Which Reloading Press?

Post by Aufidius on Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:40 pm

I don't think the topic ended in fighting? fc60 and I differ over what "new" means in terms of Star stuff. I'm not being critical of him, Star, or anyone else who likes to use the gear. For my reasons, I like to deal with a company that has a dealer network, isn't going away any time soon, warranty, and that company happens to be Dillon.

Just a difference of opinion- certainly not the end of the world.
Aufidius
Aufidius

Posts : 87
Join date : 2018-02-02

Back to top Go down

Re: Which Reloading Press?

Post by Jwhelan939 on Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:47 pm

Sorry, I wasn't implying that it had. But the topic comes up every other day on many of the Facebook forums. And they almost always end in arguing, bickering, and name calling.

Jwhelan939

Posts : 453
Join date : 2013-04-27
Age : 35
Location : Pipersville, PA

Back to top Go down

Re: Which Reloading Press?

Post by Steve Brown on Fri Dec 28, 2018 3:57 am

No love for the RCBS 2000?

Steve Brown

Posts : 14
Join date : 2011-06-10
Location : Pacific Northwest

Back to top Go down

Re: Which Reloading Press?

Post by SW-52 on Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:04 am

Tim,i dont reload,but in my opinion,if you use a 550 and for you is great,go for it. The 650 is a great machine,you will add case and bullet feeder but is for reload high volumes of ammo in less time. I bet for a 550!!
SW-52
SW-52

Posts : 573
Join date : 2015-07-20
Age : 34

Back to top Go down

Re: Which Reloading Press?

Post by mhayford45 on Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:33 pm

I believe I have tried them all at some point in my reloading journey. I use a Dillon 550 but have to admit i would like something with better/tighter specs as I have had to float my dies to get the concentricity i expect and custom mount a Harrell Schuetzen Pistol powder drop . When I need true precision, I use my Harrell single stage.

mhayford45

Posts : 62
Join date : 2013-02-21

Back to top Go down

Re: Which Reloading Press?

Post by tceva on Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:41 am

Jason,
If you are just loading 45. pm me.  I have a Star Press that kind of fell into my possession.  I have toyed with adding some deluxe features, like the auto indexing to it, but when reality slaps me I resort back to a tricked out 650.
The stars are a precision instrument.  However caliber changes are not as easy as a Dillon.
Alex
tceva
tceva

Posts : 137
Join date : 2017-04-20
Age : 59
Location : Roanoke, Virginia

Back to top Go down

Re: Which Reloading Press?

Post by New2BE on Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:52 am

I like my Dillons. Good support, easy to use. Not necessarily perfect but can be tricked out to suit your needs. I use all of their models except the square deal and shotgun loader. The Super 1050 is great for one caliber and one load. I use the 650 for decamping and trimming but hate the primer system. The 550 is good for load development but the primer feed and track is worn out on mine. (Dillon provided the plate to fix this,. But it still is not quite right.)

That being said, I just bought a Star progressive from Bruce. Boy is it nice. Beautiful build quality, made to last a lifetime. . Steel and brass, little to no plastic. Caliber and load specific which is fine. You can even buy from a 3rd party a Pyrex powder tube (same for Dillon too.)

Btw. If you plan on automating your process the Mark 7 is the way to go instead of motorizing a Dillon Super 1050. Way beyond 99% of the average reloaders requirements. Beyond the Mark 7 is the Camdex which is completely outrageous.


New2BE

Posts : 32
Join date : 2017-04-23
Location : So CAL

Back to top Go down

Re: Which Reloading Press?

Post by bruce martindale on Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:52 pm

Over the years I have acquired 2 Stars, a 550 a pro 1000, a loadmaster, and a rockchucker.

The RC and  pro were first. THe RC is for special jobs and rifle. The pro is now for odd ball low volume jobs, it's worn out. The 550 is for small primer rifle and pistol as l dislike changing it over. Stars and Loadmaster do yeomans work in 38 and 45.

Match ammo comes off the loadmaster. Yes its fussy but I took out the indexer rod and do that by hand. The case feeder loosened up so l jog it by hand to drop a case and push the slide in by hand.

Some clowns could say I am cheap, or doing too much work to keep a junk press running but it produces the best ammo (ransom rest) tested so far.
These things can be fussy in priming, run low and it hurts you. Lots of good options out there. Play with them and keep what you like.

bruce martindale

Posts : 239
Join date : 2011-07-29
Location : Upstate NY

Back to top Go down

Re: Which Reloading Press?

Post by Zippy on Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:06 pm

Here's my 2 cents ... buy used, I picked up my dillon many moons ago second hand off fleabay. You can get a fully loaded 550 at a seriously discounted price e.g. $405 current bid on this one https://www.ebay.com/itm/DILLON-550B-RELOADING-PRESS/233160549108?hash=item364973a2f4:g:DjYAAOSwKj1cgzQW

Zippy

Posts : 6
Join date : 2014-06-27

Back to top Go down

Re: Which Reloading Press?

Post by TexasShooter on Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:49 pm

I don't have much to compare to but will ditto all the good comments about Dillon. When I first started reloading I talked to a couple of dozen guys that were already serious reloaders. Every one of those guys that started with something else eventually ended up with a Dillon, and said if they had it to do over again they would've just saved a little longer and got the Dillon to start with. So that's what I did...no regrets.

TexasShooter

Posts : 99
Join date : 2014-01-26
Age : 60
Location : Midland, TX

Back to top Go down

Re: Which Reloading Press?

Post by Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Page 2 of 3 Previous  1, 2, 3  Next

Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum