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Post by Axehandle on 1/22/2019, 4:37 pm

NGMTU Red Oil prepared as instructed by the original Joe Chambers.  Still have the original recipe in his own handwriting.  I'll snap a pic and post it one day..
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Post by SmokinNJokin on 1/22/2019, 4:58 pm

Here ya go..

1 quart 10W or 30W non-detergent motor oil
1 pint STP oil treatment
4 ounces Hoppe's #9

With a tease like that, I couldn't resist!


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Post by Sc0 on 1/22/2019, 4:59 pm

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Post by Axehandle on 1/22/2019, 5:11 pm

Pretty sure this one contains type F transmission fluid too...

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Post by Wobbley on 1/22/2019, 5:15 pm

I think the F transmission fluid is in lieu of the oil.  Most transmission fluids are non-detergent.
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Post by Axehandle on 1/22/2019, 5:31 pm

Mix it the way you want.  Joe personally gave me this recipe in the early 80s.  It has non det motor oil, STP, Hoppes No 9, AND type F transmission fluid in it.

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Post by SmokinNJokin on 1/22/2019, 5:40 pm

very cool. No need to buy expensive stuff in 1.5oz tubes.

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Post by Wobbley on 1/22/2019, 5:56 pm

Another take on red bore cleaner.

http://www.handloads.com/articles/?id=9
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Post by davidbullseye on 1/22/2019, 6:08 pm

ok, for those of us that do not know Joe, what is this red liquid for?  Cleaning or lubrication.  

Sorry for the newbie question. 

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Post by Axehandle on 1/22/2019, 7:00 pm

It is NOT and IMHO has never been bore cleaner.  FWIW my 22s have never liked it in cold weather.    My 45 HB and WC guns love it.

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Post by Axehandle on 1/22/2019, 7:03 pm

The NGMTU recipe calls for "type F" where Ed's Red calls for Dexron.  I specifically asked Joe about this and he said type F was the one to use...

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Post by davidbullseye on 1/22/2019, 7:22 pm

lubrication?

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Post by OldShooter43 on 1/23/2019, 5:08 am

How much type F transmission fluid do you add or use?  It's not in the original formula given at the beginning of this thread.

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Post by Axehandle on 1/23/2019, 6:34 am

A picture says a thousand words.  I'll do my best to dig out the original recipe in Joe's own hand writing.  FWIW I shot with the National Guard at the unit, state, regional, national, and international level from 1978 to 1995.  Through the years I had Joe work on issue guns and build a few personal guns for me.   Considered him not only a good gunsmith but a friend as well. Shot my first iron sight 2600 in 1984 holding an expert classification with the first personal gun he built for me.  He help me understand the value of the gunsmith  that you could call and he talks to you, not at you.   Remember well a note he included with one of my guns he rebuilt for me.  "When you clean your guns, clean your magazines too!" 

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Post by Ed Hall on 1/23/2019, 8:26 am

Note: Do not confuse this with Ed's Red. Ed's Red is a bore cleaner with lubrication qualities. This formula is for a lubricant. This lubricant has not worked well for me in colder climates. - Ed Hall (no relation to the Ed's Red Ed)
From my page with the current recipe as provided by (then*) MSgt Dan Norwood.

*He has since been promoted.

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Post by 1joel1 on 1/23/2019, 8:34 am

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Post by Ed Hall on 1/23/2019, 8:39 am

1joel1 wrote:Kroil
I'm afraid this would be a poor substitute for Red Oil, although it might be better in the colder weather for me.  (For the past two days, it was below -10 here at the time we would have started an outdoor match.)

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Post by sharkdoctor on 1/23/2019, 8:50 am

For comparison and reference, the recipe I got from the SC guard guys in the '80s contained:

3qt. Type F transmission fluid
1 qt. 10-20 wt. non-detergent oil
1 pt. STP
4 oz. Hoppe's

This was presented as a lubricating oil, and the formulation has perhaps changed over the decades regarding fluidity, etc.  I can't imagine precise measurements are that critical - JMHO.


That would be Hoppe's #9 Solvent - don't know if that is with or without nitrobenzene


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Post by SonOfAGun on 1/23/2019, 9:50 am

sharkdoctor wrote:...
4 oz. Hoppe's
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 Forgive my ignorance; Hoppe's solvent or Hoppe's oil?
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Post by Axehandle on 1/23/2019, 1:20 pm

Here we go...   Mix what you want.   The words written by Joe....
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Post by OldShooter43 on 1/23/2019, 1:26 pm

I would take that pretty much as gospel.

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Post by Allen Barnett on 1/23/2019, 4:24 pm

The Joe Chambers recipe is what I got from the guys on the Missouri Guard team when I shot on it in the late 80's and early 90's.  Joe also re-built both of my guns in the early 90's.  Neither of them liked the "red oil" when temperatures dropped to 40 degrees and colder.  After many thousand rounds they are still tight enough that they still don't like the cold with red oil.  As a side note my guns were originally built by my father who was one of the original AMU smiths at Fort Benning. He retired in 1959 and then went to work for the Air Force at Lackland in their AFMU.  And to add further interest my guns are pre-70's series with consective numbers bought as surplus from Texas Highway Patrol when they switched to 357 revolvers.

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Post by zanemoseley on 1/23/2019, 4:28 pm

Axehandle wrote:Here we go...   Mix what you want.   The words written by Joe....
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Geez can you imagine on working on enough guns where you need to mix more than 1 gallon at a time.

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Post by Axehandle on 1/23/2019, 5:58 pm

When you mix a batch you need to get friends involved to share with.   The current batch I work out of was mixed in the 90s.  Still have plenty even after sharing a quart or two through the years.  The ingredients to make a new batch are sitting on the shelf in the shop waiting.   Was once concerned about cold weather shooting but that isn't an issue anymore.  Shot with snow flurries the last year that we shot the Army Area matches at Ft Mead. That week fingers were so cold we could hardly load magazines.  Shot the leg match on first relay.   Felt sorry for us until I watched the range flag snapping in the wind after we were done.  My nasty 269 was worth 6 points!  These days when it even acts like it wants to be cold I stay home.

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Post by sharkdoctor on 1/23/2019, 6:27 pm

sharkdoctor wrote:For comparison and reference, the recipe I got from the SC guard guys in the '80s contained:

3qt. Type F transmission fluid
1 qt. 10-20 wt. non-detergent oil
1 pt. STP
4 oz. Hoppe's

This was presented as a lubricating oil, and the formulation has perhaps changed over the decades regarding fluidity, etc.  I can't imagine precise measurements are that critical - JMHO.


That would be Hoppe's #9 Solvent - don't know if that is with or without nitrobenzene

Several of you commented on the large quantity that results from the recipe.  It probably goes without saying, but if you mix according to the ratio:

24 parts Trans. fluid
 8 parts 10 wt. oil
 4 parts STP
 1 part Hoppe's #9

and you use grams, milliliters or ounces, depending on your ability and tools available to measure, you can make as much or as little as you want. I have all of these ingredients lying around the shop, anyway.

At this point in my shooting career, I don't even buy green bananas, not to mention trying to work through over a gallon of this stuff!

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