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Pet Loads of Top Shooters & Loads from the past.
This list of accurate Bullseye loads was compiled from some of the most accomplished shooters in our sport. If you are a Master or High Master and would like to share, please send your info to me in a PM, listing Load, bullet type, powder and primer, and any other info and i will add you in. This list is compiled for reference use only, use this data at your own risk: Load data is not in any order, none is considered better than the next
Chuck Abston, Master class
Distinguished #1254
Presidents 100 4x NRA 2600 club
My load is 4.0 grains of Bullseye with a 200 grain hard cast
bullet, with Starline brass and winchester primers. The crimp shoud be
.470-.472.
Jack H. Master & Dist.45 Wadgun
3.8-4.0 BE, either 200 or 185 LSWC, WLP
4.5 N310, 185 Nosler, WLP, Starline
Hardball
4.8 Titegroup, WLP, Sierra
4.9-5.2 N320 works great too.
45 Revolver (S&W 1955 Model)
4.8 BE, 200 JSWC (Hornady), WLP, rimmed cases
crimp medium to heavy, even on Jackets.
The Nosler load was Ransomed by Roddy in my HB gun 1 1/16". 9 of the 10 were 1"
Rick Briggs Master since 2005
3.8 grains of Clay's under a Zero 185 grain LSWC HP, shoulder to rim dimension .926", Dillon die crimped to .469", primer WLP.
Brass is Federal and Starline.
Works well in both of my Kart barreled Masaki and Rock River Arms wadcutters.
Dan Allen Master Outdoors - High Master Indoors
185 grain SWC from either Master Cast of PA or Missouri Bullet Co - they both shoot the same for me.
4.0 grains of Bullseye in mixed cases with Winchester primers.
Steve Turner Master, Accuracy also tested on Ransome Rest
4.1 - 4.2gr WST
185 or 200gr lead bullets
Shoulder ~1/16" above mouth (OAL 1.22" for 185 HPSWC)
crimp & brass are not critical
I use WIN & FED primers interchangeably
I use Wolf primers indoors but have not tested at 50 yards
I use cast 200 SWC, swaged 185 & 200 SWC and swaged 185 HPSWC with the same load
3.8gr WST
185 or 200gr lead bullets
Shoulder ~1/16" above mouth (OAL 1.22" for 185 HPSWC)
Nice short line load, only a little less accurate than 4.1gr above
4.4gr N310
Nosler or Zero 185 JHP
OAL 1.25"
consistent brass
WIN or FED primers both work
medium crimp (~0.468") but I've not tested other crimps.
4.4gr N310
S and S 160gr cast LSWC
Shoulder ~1/16" above mouth (OAL 1.55")
crimp, primer and brass not critical.
This is a great short line load.
38 SPL
2.7gr WST or 2.8gr BE
Star 148gr HBWC
Just enough roll crimp to hold bullet
I've not tested primers or brass variations
James R. Lenardson- High Master
I shoot 4.5 grains of BE with 185JHP from Zero. Shoots just splendid
Dave Wemple Master, Distinguished, + Distinguish Revolver
I use 4.1 of bullseye with Mastercast 185 gr lead at 25 yds
and 4.5 of bullseye with Nosler or Zero JHP's at 50 yds.
From Motorcycle_Dan Pauley, Master
160gr SWC ,Sorted by weight. I shoot in batches so all are within 1gr.
159.0 to 159.9 or 160.0 to 160.9 etc
All shoot well but a 158gr shoots to a different point of aim than the
160.
4.4gr of Bullseye powder. Measured by volume with Lee disc measure.
(0.53cc I think) Lee's chart is light on the conservative side.
Winchester brass that has been pushed all way through the carbide ring
of a Lee Factory Crimp (don't think it matters but I sort by head stamp)
Winchester primer (don't think it matters so long as all are the same)
Seat bullets from the shoulder rather than the nose. About 0.030 above
case mouth.
Lee Factory crimp to 0.469~.470
Go poke holes in the X. This load shot to a 2"x2.5" group at 50yd from
sand bags with my Springfield armory pistol.
And a note on the concept of "Pet Load." While I don't believe my pet
load could be bested by any other. I'm not saying it would be the best
for your pistol in your hand. Each are different. It does work well
for me with my equipment and my process.
Terry Labbe High Master, Sprinfield Pistol Team
4.3 Tightgroup with a Magnus 802 200 gr. LSWC for 50 yards
4.0 Tightgroup with a Magnus 801 185 gr. LSWC for 25 yards
Chuck Abston, Master class
Distinguished #1254
Presidents 100 4x NRA 2600 club
My load is 4.0 grains of Bullseye with a 200 grain hard cast
bullet, with Starline brass and winchester primers. The crimp shoud be
.470-.472.
Jack H. Master & Dist.45 Wadgun
3.8-4.0 BE, either 200 or 185 LSWC, WLP
4.5 N310, 185 Nosler, WLP, Starline
Hardball
4.8 Titegroup, WLP, Sierra
4.9-5.2 N320 works great too.
45 Revolver (S&W 1955 Model)
4.8 BE, 200 JSWC (Hornady), WLP, rimmed cases
crimp medium to heavy, even on Jackets.
The Nosler load was Ransomed by Roddy in my HB gun 1 1/16". 9 of the 10 were 1"
Rick Briggs Master since 2005
3.8 grains of Clay's under a Zero 185 grain LSWC HP, shoulder to rim dimension .926", Dillon die crimped to .469", primer WLP.
Brass is Federal and Starline.
Works well in both of my Kart barreled Masaki and Rock River Arms wadcutters.
Dan Allen Master Outdoors - High Master Indoors
185 grain SWC from either Master Cast of PA or Missouri Bullet Co - they both shoot the same for me.
4.0 grains of Bullseye in mixed cases with Winchester primers.
Steve Turner Master, Accuracy also tested on Ransome Rest
4.1 - 4.2gr WST
185 or 200gr lead bullets
Shoulder ~1/16" above mouth (OAL 1.22" for 185 HPSWC)
crimp & brass are not critical
I use WIN & FED primers interchangeably
I use Wolf primers indoors but have not tested at 50 yards
I use cast 200 SWC, swaged 185 & 200 SWC and swaged 185 HPSWC with the same load
3.8gr WST
185 or 200gr lead bullets
Shoulder ~1/16" above mouth (OAL 1.22" for 185 HPSWC)
Nice short line load, only a little less accurate than 4.1gr above
4.4gr N310
Nosler or Zero 185 JHP
OAL 1.25"
consistent brass
WIN or FED primers both work
medium crimp (~0.468") but I've not tested other crimps.
4.4gr N310
S and S 160gr cast LSWC
Shoulder ~1/16" above mouth (OAL 1.55")
crimp, primer and brass not critical.
This is a great short line load.
38 SPL
2.7gr WST or 2.8gr BE
Star 148gr HBWC
Just enough roll crimp to hold bullet
I've not tested primers or brass variations
James R. Lenardson- High Master
I shoot 4.5 grains of BE with 185JHP from Zero. Shoots just splendid
Dave Wemple Master, Distinguished, + Distinguish Revolver
I use 4.1 of bullseye with Mastercast 185 gr lead at 25 yds
and 4.5 of bullseye with Nosler or Zero JHP's at 50 yds.
From Motorcycle_Dan Pauley, Master
160gr SWC ,Sorted by weight. I shoot in batches so all are within 1gr.
159.0 to 159.9 or 160.0 to 160.9 etc
All shoot well but a 158gr shoots to a different point of aim than the
160.
4.4gr of Bullseye powder. Measured by volume with Lee disc measure.
(0.53cc I think) Lee's chart is light on the conservative side.
Winchester brass that has been pushed all way through the carbide ring
of a Lee Factory Crimp (don't think it matters but I sort by head stamp)
Winchester primer (don't think it matters so long as all are the same)
Seat bullets from the shoulder rather than the nose. About 0.030 above
case mouth.
Lee Factory crimp to 0.469~.470
Go poke holes in the X. This load shot to a 2"x2.5" group at 50yd from
sand bags with my Springfield armory pistol.
And a note on the concept of "Pet Load." While I don't believe my pet
load could be bested by any other. I'm not saying it would be the best
for your pistol in your hand. Each are different. It does work well
for me with my equipment and my process.
Terry Labbe High Master, Sprinfield Pistol Team
4.3 Tightgroup with a Magnus 802 200 gr. LSWC for 50 yards
4.0 Tightgroup with a Magnus 801 185 gr. LSWC for 25 yards
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Re: Pet Loads of Top Shooters & Loads from the past.
From. Ed Masaki;
FOR
ME I LIKE THE RESULTS OF CLAYS 3.8 TO 4.2 FOR 50YDS WITH GOOD 200GR
FLAT BASE BULLETS. AND I LIKE THE RECOIL FEEL OF THE B.E. POWDER FOR
25YDS. FROM 3.6 TO 4GRS. THESE ARE ONLY MY OPINION. AND I AM
CALLED CRAZY. I AGREE. ED M.
FOR
ME I LIKE THE RESULTS OF CLAYS 3.8 TO 4.2 FOR 50YDS WITH GOOD 200GR
FLAT BASE BULLETS. AND I LIKE THE RECOIL FEEL OF THE B.E. POWDER FOR
25YDS. FROM 3.6 TO 4GRS. THESE ARE ONLY MY OPINION. AND I AM
CALLED CRAZY. I AGREE. ED M.
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Re: Pet Loads of Top Shooters & Loads from the past.
Pet Loads from the Past, for Iron sights or Frame mount 45
by DavidR on Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:57 am
This Link is from many old masters, most if not all of these were for iron sighted guns but would also work for guns with frame mounted dots, use at on risk, for reference only.
http://www.hostingfms.com/~cholt/Bullseye-LLoadsFromThePast.html
by DavidR on Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:57 am
This Link is from many old masters, most if not all of these were for iron sighted guns but would also work for guns with frame mounted dots, use at on risk, for reference only.
http://www.hostingfms.com/~cholt/Bullseye-LLoadsFromThePast.html
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From Motorcycle_dan 10-08-2014 update
My source of great quality 160gr SWC dried up so back to load development.
On the long line.
Zero 185 JHP
Starline brass
4.5~4.7 bullseye
Seat with RN seater so about 0.070 of straight wall is exposed. OAL will vary slightly.
LFC to 0.469~.470
Short line
Zero 185 SWC HP
Light tumble coating of Lee Liquid Alox. Set out on a cookie sheet to dry for a couple days.
Polished brass sorted by headstamp pushed through a LFC carbide ring (lee bulge buster)
4.2~4.4 bullseye
Seat from the shoulder so that about 0.040 of shoulder is exposed
Crimp separately with LFC to 0.469~0.470
Once loaded I put about 200 loaded rounds in a plastic 3lb coffee can.
Give it a liberal coating of WD-40 and roll them around so all are coated evenly and any shaved lead is freed up.
Pour out into the center of an old T-shirt or towel.
Pick up the corners and roll them like polishing a bowling ball to remove excess and any lube.
Put into boxes and let stand open for a day or two.
The WD dries to a hard coating.
My source of great quality 160gr SWC dried up so back to load development.
On the long line.
Zero 185 JHP
Starline brass
4.5~4.7 bullseye
Seat with RN seater so about 0.070 of straight wall is exposed. OAL will vary slightly.
LFC to 0.469~.470
Short line
Zero 185 SWC HP
Light tumble coating of Lee Liquid Alox. Set out on a cookie sheet to dry for a couple days.
Polished brass sorted by headstamp pushed through a LFC carbide ring (lee bulge buster)
4.2~4.4 bullseye
Seat from the shoulder so that about 0.040 of shoulder is exposed
Crimp separately with LFC to 0.469~0.470
Once loaded I put about 200 loaded rounds in a plastic 3lb coffee can.
Give it a liberal coating of WD-40 and roll them around so all are coated evenly and any shaved lead is freed up.
Pour out into the center of an old T-shirt or towel.
Pick up the corners and roll them like polishing a bowling ball to remove excess and any lube.
Put into boxes and let stand open for a day or two.
The WD dries to a hard coating.
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New post and great load from a High Master!
Nosler 185, 4.8 to 5.0 WST, WLP primer, 1.24 OAL, I always use once fired Federal brass. I own 4 wad guns and 1.625 is the largest 10 shot group and 1.1 is the smallest out of my Ransom rest at 50 yds. One of my wad guns prefers 4.8 the other 3 prefer 5.0 of the WST. I have tried many powders and always go back to WST.
Tom Ginovsky
NRA 2650 Club
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NRA Classification: High Master
Nosler 185, 4.8 to 5.0 WST, WLP primer, 1.24 OAL, I always use once fired Federal brass. I own 4 wad guns and 1.625 is the largest 10 shot group and 1.1 is the smallest out of my Ransom rest at 50 yds. One of my wad guns prefers 4.8 the other 3 prefer 5.0 of the WST. I have tried many powders and always go back to WST.
Tom Ginovsky
NRA 2650 Club
teg2658
NRA Classification: High Master
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Re: Pet Loads of Top Shooters & Loads from the past.
I would like to add to this sticky topic on great loads, would like to add more load info from Any High Masters willing to share, thanks
Please send it to me in a PM and I can add it in order with the others.
Please send it to me in a PM and I can add it in order with the others.
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Re: Pet Loads of Top Shooters & Loads from the past.
Cecil Rhodes High Master.
My load have been posted previously. 3.85 gr. VV 310, 200 gr. Oregon Trail SWC, 1.239 nominal OAL (really seated on the shoulder), 0.469 crimp, Federal brass (got a ton of it 15 years ago, once fired in new kart barrels), WW primers.
Dillion 650, tuned for loading as best as I can, O-rings under the dies, deburred powder measure and shell plate, loctite (blue) on the powder bar adjustment bolt (to keep from accidentally moving), extra return spring on measure. I seat the bullet in 2 steps, station 3 uses seating die with conical nose seater to align and seat the bullet halfway, station 4 uses seating die with shoulder seater to get to final depth.
Use 200 grain Oregon Trail for slow fire at 50, simply use the Oregon Trail 180 gr SWC for timed and rapid fire (no change in powder or any settings, just drop the 180 in the top of the case and keep reloading). The 200 gr is slightly faster due to taking up more case capacity, has generally single digit SD over 30 shots (not that SD is indicator of accuracy but it makes the engineer in me happy) and the 200 gr. groups slightly better than the 180 for me.
Yes, I use case lube even with carbide dies, it makes every thing run smoother and my arm appreciates it too. Simply spray lube on a towel, put a couple or three hundred clean cases on the towel, grab either end and make a hammock. Shake back and forth a couple of times and dump in the hopper. Not too much lube, not too little, just enough to make the machine happy and smooth. I generally load in 500 round batches, that's a box of bullets and about all the case feeder motor can handle at once.
Anyway, all this is done so I can load the best I can in the least amount of time.
Cecil
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My load have been posted previously. 3.85 gr. VV 310, 200 gr. Oregon Trail SWC, 1.239 nominal OAL (really seated on the shoulder), 0.469 crimp, Federal brass (got a ton of it 15 years ago, once fired in new kart barrels), WW primers.
Dillion 650, tuned for loading as best as I can, O-rings under the dies, deburred powder measure and shell plate, loctite (blue) on the powder bar adjustment bolt (to keep from accidentally moving), extra return spring on measure. I seat the bullet in 2 steps, station 3 uses seating die with conical nose seater to align and seat the bullet halfway, station 4 uses seating die with shoulder seater to get to final depth.
Use 200 grain Oregon Trail for slow fire at 50, simply use the Oregon Trail 180 gr SWC for timed and rapid fire (no change in powder or any settings, just drop the 180 in the top of the case and keep reloading). The 200 gr is slightly faster due to taking up more case capacity, has generally single digit SD over 30 shots (not that SD is indicator of accuracy but it makes the engineer in me happy) and the 200 gr. groups slightly better than the 180 for me.
Yes, I use case lube even with carbide dies, it makes every thing run smoother and my arm appreciates it too. Simply spray lube on a towel, put a couple or three hundred clean cases on the towel, grab either end and make a hammock. Shake back and forth a couple of times and dump in the hopper. Not too much lube, not too little, just enough to make the machine happy and smooth. I generally load in 500 round batches, that's a box of bullets and about all the case feeder motor can handle at once.
Anyway, all this is done so I can load the best I can in the least amount of time.
Cecil
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Re: Pet Loads of Top Shooters & Loads from the past.
Anthony Bellipanni, Master
Presidents 100, Distinguished: Service Rifle, Service Pistol, Rimfire Pistol and NRA Distinguished Revolver
All my guns have Kart XAct Fit barrels installed by myself with no extra accuracy work done on frame to slide fit.
38 Super -
NRA and International Centerfire:
#403 Magnus 147 grain hardcast flat point bevel base over 3.0 grains WST
Starline Brass, Win primers
Seat the bullet as deep as possible without creating a void between brass and bullet
Lee Factory Crimp Die set at half a turn after touching case mouth
Modern Service Pistol (I’ve found that I get equal performance as the 9mm loads with less recoil from the 38 Super in the new leg matches):
J-135 Magnus 115 Conical JHP over 3.9 Bullseye for the 50 yard line and 3.6 Bullseye for the short line. Starline Brass, Win primers
OAL: 1.20
Lee Factory Crimp Die set at half a turn after touching case mouth
(For the outdoor winter matches where the temp is below 40 degrees, use the 3.9 grain load for both or the slide won’t cycle)
38 Special -
Distinguished Revolver:
#516 Magnus 158 grain Swaged SWC (you can drive the softer swaged bullets at lower velocities and lower recoil with equal or better accuracy than hard cast)
3.0 grains WST, Win or Starline brass, Win Primers
OAL: Seated approx 0.030 from shoulder of bullet to case rim, about a thumbnail’s width
45 Auto -
Slide Mounted Dot (loose slide, one lug barrel, these might not cycle in your hard fit gun):
3.5 grains of Bullseye for both 50 and 25 yards, same OAL of 1.255, same crimp .470 just change the bullet, Starline brass, Win primers
#812 Magnus 200 grain SWC for 50 yards
#811 Magnus 185 grain SWC for 25 yards
Metallic Sights:
50 yards: 3.5 grains of Bullseye, #812 Magnus 200 grain SWC
25 yards: 3.4 grains of WST, #811 Magnus 185 grain SWC
Starline brass, Win primers, OAL of 1.255, crimp .470
Have also gotten good results with #J-187 Magnus 185 grain JHPs over 4.0 Bullseye for the 50 yard line and 3.6 grains of Bullseye for the shortline
Presidents 100, Distinguished: Service Rifle, Service Pistol, Rimfire Pistol and NRA Distinguished Revolver
All my guns have Kart XAct Fit barrels installed by myself with no extra accuracy work done on frame to slide fit.
38 Super -
NRA and International Centerfire:
#403 Magnus 147 grain hardcast flat point bevel base over 3.0 grains WST
Starline Brass, Win primers
Seat the bullet as deep as possible without creating a void between brass and bullet
Lee Factory Crimp Die set at half a turn after touching case mouth
Modern Service Pistol (I’ve found that I get equal performance as the 9mm loads with less recoil from the 38 Super in the new leg matches):
J-135 Magnus 115 Conical JHP over 3.9 Bullseye for the 50 yard line and 3.6 Bullseye for the short line. Starline Brass, Win primers
OAL: 1.20
Lee Factory Crimp Die set at half a turn after touching case mouth
(For the outdoor winter matches where the temp is below 40 degrees, use the 3.9 grain load for both or the slide won’t cycle)
38 Special -
Distinguished Revolver:
#516 Magnus 158 grain Swaged SWC (you can drive the softer swaged bullets at lower velocities and lower recoil with equal or better accuracy than hard cast)
3.0 grains WST, Win or Starline brass, Win Primers
OAL: Seated approx 0.030 from shoulder of bullet to case rim, about a thumbnail’s width
45 Auto -
Slide Mounted Dot (loose slide, one lug barrel, these might not cycle in your hard fit gun):
3.5 grains of Bullseye for both 50 and 25 yards, same OAL of 1.255, same crimp .470 just change the bullet, Starline brass, Win primers
#812 Magnus 200 grain SWC for 50 yards
#811 Magnus 185 grain SWC for 25 yards
Metallic Sights:
50 yards: 3.5 grains of Bullseye, #812 Magnus 200 grain SWC
25 yards: 3.4 grains of WST, #811 Magnus 185 grain SWC
Starline brass, Win primers, OAL of 1.255, crimp .470
Have also gotten good results with #J-187 Magnus 185 grain JHPs over 4.0 Bullseye for the 50 yard line and 3.6 grains of Bullseye for the shortline
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