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Post by john bickar on 4/26/2019, 7:00 pm

"The NRA Competitions Division has advised the CMP that this year's NRA Pistol Championships will be NRA's final competition at Camp Perry, Ohio. The decision to move all NRA championships to Atterbury, Indiana, is a business decision made solely by the NRA. The NRA believes this move will better position it to focus on the continuing battle to protect this country's Second Amendment rights.

The CMP is saddened by the decision, but respects the NRA's need to chart its future.

CMP remains fully committed to Camp Perry and the historic National Rifle and Pistol Matches which have been held there continuously since 1907. CMP will move forward to grow the Camp Perry matches and to continue modernizing the ranges in its partnership with the Ohio National Guard.

CMP and NRA are not at odds. Both organizations look forward to partnering in future competitions serving all competitors."




Wow.
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Post by jglenn21 on 4/26/2019, 7:11 pm

just got the same email myself..

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Post by mspingeld on 4/26/2019, 7:11 pm

What kind of facility is it? Modern? Sheltered ports? etc?

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Post by jglenn21 on 4/26/2019, 7:19 pm

https://www.whas11.com/article/news/local/indiana/indianas-camp-atterbury-to-host-new-nra-marksmanship-center/417-e2ca994d-dddb-4e38-b8fc-9a8d548870a0


Camp Atterbury will be the new Marksmanship center.
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Post by DeweyHales on 4/26/2019, 8:08 pm

It’ll be interesting to see how the facilities compare.

Crowds for P100 may be very different starting in 2020.
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Post by james r chapman on 4/26/2019, 8:19 pm

what kind of onsite housing does Atterbury provide?
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Post by mikemyers on 4/26/2019, 8:26 pm

Seems rather silly to have to lose Camp Perry because of politics.  I've never been there, but enjoy reading all the stories.

Does Camp Perry need the NRA?   Will there soon be two competing events?

I'm not sure where the event is held will have any effect on second amendment rights.
Maybe there's another reason, $$$$ ?
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Post by john bickar on 4/26/2019, 8:31 pm

mikemyers wrote:I'm not sure where the event is held will have any effect on second amendment rights.

Yeah, that smelled fishy to me. Probably need to pay more bonuses to Wayne LaPierre.
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Post by Allen Barnett on 4/26/2019, 9:05 pm

I my opinion Camp Atterbury is/was a dump.  I was there about 15 years ago conducting an ARTEP (Army Readiness Training Evaluation Program) on one of our MP companies.  Unless they have done tons of improvements since then there was almost nothing in the line of housing and there are no local economy to support housing in the numbers required for holding a National level competition.  If anybody has any high power rifle buddies ask them didn't at least part of the rifle stuff moved to Atterbury?

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Post by Allen Barnett on 4/26/2019, 9:22 pm

Well guys I might have to take back what I just posted.  Went out to the Indiania National Guard web site and they have made some BIG changes.  Not sure how much housing they actually have but from the web site it looks good.

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Post by john bickar on 4/26/2019, 10:26 pm

https://www.nrablog.com/articles/2019/4/pr-camp-atterbury-to-host-nra-marksmanship-competition-center/
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Post by Soupy44 on 4/26/2019, 10:38 pm

Change means things will be different.  

Listening to the folks I know of that are in or close to the know, this will be an upgrade with new facilities and better housing.  Coming from smallbore, it was a bit of an insult when they moved it away from Perry to what was considered a facility barely fit to host a regional.

Here's hoping that this will be more like the move from the Yankee Stadium to the New Yankee Stadium, West Side Tennis Club to Flushing Meadows, or Texas Stadium to AT&T Stadium.  For those of you that might not be fans, all of those moves were made for money at the expense of tradition and history!

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Post by Jon Eulette on 4/26/2019, 10:53 pm

Totally Jacks Up Canton and CMP matches.  NRA is affecting lots of people in a negative way. Perry is a crap hole but to just make a decision withour talking to the competitors is especially nice. Very selfishly done.
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Post by john bickar on 4/26/2019, 11:15 pm

I am selfishly concerned with the implications that this has for the Canton Regional. I am a life member of the Canton McKinley Rifle and Pistol Club and I know how much the Regional means to our Club (and we have you bullseye shooters to thank for your patronage of our match).

Setting my homerism aside, as a bullseye shooter, this makes little sense to me. It also comes completely out of the blue.
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Post by Vociferous on 4/27/2019, 5:13 am

The NRA represents me less and less everyday.  Much more so, today.
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Post by Outthere on 4/27/2019, 5:47 am

Jon Eulette wrote:Totally Jacks Up Canton and CMP matches.  NRA is affecting lots of people in a negative way. Perry is a crap hole but to just make a decision withour talking to the competitors is especially nice. Very selfishly done.
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I agree.

The NRA has gotten more like the AARP. They don't care what their members think about anything.

They exist to solicit donations to support their upper management's salaries and benefits. 

People that don't compete in the shooting sports don't understand why competitors do. They think we're foolish and it's a waste of money. 

I apologize for preaching to the choir here.

PS: Jim Supica, who runs the NRA museum, is a great guy.

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Post by inthebeech on 4/27/2019, 6:24 am

Can someone expand with meaningful detail, what "better position it...." means?  I read enough of these motherhood statements in my own company's press releases and know there that the leadership absolutely could not give the real reason.
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Post by bruce martindale on 4/27/2019, 6:31 am

Well if CMP steps up, and presents the same match to us that we always had, then Canton is preserved, Perry continues, and the ARN simply evaporates....into insignificance with respect to competition. With their track record, pulling Muzzle loader, high power, smallbore and not even handling the Sectional, Sounds like their goals will be achieved.

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Post by Dcforman on 4/27/2019, 7:06 am

Not sure anyone else heard this, but the NRA board asked Wayne Lapierre to resign yesterday. He refused. 

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Post by Multiracer on 4/27/2019, 7:18 am

Cardinal Shooting Center, Marengo, Ohio

Given the effort put forth to host Camp Perry Pistol matches the last couple of years do you really think that effort will increase this year given the condition of NRA ?

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Post by tierney on 4/27/2019, 8:01 am

Looking up the scores for rifle from last year it appears that the NRA attracted 123 shooters for Match rifle at Indiana while the CMP attracted 1111 rifle shooters for the Presidents Match

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Post by Zippy on 4/27/2019, 8:58 am

Hopefully the CMP will run their own 2700 to fill the gap, the NRA inked a 10 year deal with Camp Atterbury thereby cutting Cardinal out of the mix as well. Hopefully by Perry the CMP will announce something like their own 2700 to fill the gap. I just don't see anyway you can do Canton-Atterbury-Perry logistically. Plus Atterbury is a lot further away.

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Post by Wobbley on 4/27/2019, 9:46 am

If the NRA and CMP were smart, they’d reverse the order and have HP Rifle in July at Atterbury and pistol in August. The CMP would have Pistol in July and HP in August. That way competitors could do both in both sports.
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Post by dronning on 4/27/2019, 10:22 am

It sounds like the NRA is trying to compete with the CMP Talledega Marksmanship park.  If that's the case I will hold my opinion until I see how it rolls out.  That also may be why Cardinal didn't make the cut, they just don't have the layout/land for High Power rifle.

It would have been awesome if the NRA would have had both Pistol & small bore rifle at Cardinal and left HP rifle at Atterbury.

I also wouldn't bet against Cardinal Shooting Center from becoming a go to destination for pistol either.  They tend to have the long view of things.  Buying Larry's Gun's inventory proves they have a bigger plan in mind.
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Post by brassmaster on 4/27/2019, 10:29 am

"...The decision to move all NRA championships to Atterbury, Indiana, is a business decision made solely by the NRA..." From decades of experience operating monthly, regional and state championships, ideally, the best scenario for our club is to make a small "profit" from these matches; however, at the least we must break even. Any "profit" is invested back into maintaining the range, equipment and paying for liability coverage. It seems to this competitor/match official that the NRA operates with a different mission--squeeze as much profit as possible. I believe this because there was no opportunity that I am aware of for input regarding moving the event to Indiana from the very competitors that make the National Championships successful or no explanation as to what factors went into this "business decision." Just a few short years ago when there appeared to be the possibility of the NRA moving the matches to Cardinal, it created a lot of controversy between two groups--those that supported moving to Cardinal and those that did not. This decision is different because to my knowledge it was kept under wraps until blindsided by yesterday's 7:50p.m. email--not from the NRA, but from the CMP, advising that a ten year deal had been inked. I see this move to Indiana by NRA as an action that will fracture competitors support of the National Matches, while on the other hand I see local and regional matches playing a larger role in Precision Pistol competition because many competitors will not make two separate trips miles apart to participate in what was, for over 100 years successfully accomplished at one location. I wish no ill-will toward the NRA and sincerely hope that the NRA National Championships experience success at their new home in Indiana, but I do believe this bodes well for the NRA or the National Championships.
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