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Post by Bestdentist99 on 5/16/2019, 6:24 pm

I am planning to buy the MG2 EVO pistol for Bullseye shooting.
Ludicrous New York laws consider any firearm with a magazine in front of the trigger “an assault weapon”.  This specific pistol has a 5 round tubular magazine which is inserted into the pistol parallel to and under the barrel above the trigger.
I contacted the main police department Pistol Section Unit of Nassau County, NY and they have no idea. How can I get an answer to this question or legality in Nassau County, New York State?
Has anyone registered one in New York?

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Post by David R on 5/16/2019, 7:46 pm

Try 1 800 safe act.

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Post by Ray Dash on 5/16/2019, 8:39 pm

I am in the same boat. I want one but nobody in this God awful state can tell me if it legal to own here.

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Post by Slartybartfast on 5/17/2019, 9:15 am

Question for NY residents: I'm in Quebec and have had different opinions on NY state laws told to me. One that no non-resident could fire handguns in NY state, and then when I was in Lake George there's a public range that didn't seem to care who you were or where you were from.
Now, I'm wondering how state law would apply either to a competitor from out of state or when travelling through the state.
Could a non-approved pistol be used by an out-of-state competitor at a NY competition?
As a Canadian I'm happy that our laws are uniform and the patchwork of legislation in the USA worries me. The CBP website was actually quite clear that CBP enforces federal law and is not responsible for state or local laws. Meaning I might have my ATF permit, have passed legally over the border by satisfying the CBP officer that I was on my way to a competition, and then end up in trouble with some local or state authority once past the border.
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Post by -TT- on 5/17/2019, 10:49 am

Slartybartfast wrote:Could a non-approved pistol be used by an out-of-state competitor at a NY competition?
As a Canadian I'm happy that our laws are uniform and the patchwork of legislation in the USA worries me.

I really don't think you should rely on our opinions for such a decision. And we feel the same way about the patchwork.

But regarding the "public range" - quite likely it is actually private property, and it's their decision to rent their lawfully owned firearms to their customers. It's also their customers' decision to bring their own.

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Post by Slartybartfast on 5/17/2019, 12:26 pm

-TT- wrote:

I really don't think you should rely on our opinions for such a decision. And we feel the same way about the patchwork.
Certainly not looking for opinion. But someone might know the elusive source of documentation or approval.
I'm going to work on the assumption I'm not allowed to do something with my firearms or firearms related until I have some kind of positive documentation.
Until I get clear information about any other US state I'm going to make sure I use only QC to VT border crossings and stay within VT when stateside.
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Post by David R on 5/17/2019, 1:51 pm

No answer at the first number.  I read a bunch of stuff about safe act.  

This is the new number. 
1-855-LAW-GUNS

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Post by Ray Dash on 5/17/2019, 2:00 pm

Good luck getting a straight answer from anyone.

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Post by troystaten on 5/17/2019, 9:31 pm

I think you are dealing with a bureaucracy about a subject that is not clear so nobody in authority is going to risk making a decision (at least in your favor) because there is no upside for them saying yes.  I would argue that the gun does not have a traditional detachable magazine so it is more like a tube magazine rifle but that might be a stretch.  You are also dealing with such a small niche item that you are not going to get a lot of attention or care from a generally anti gun government body.  Good luck.

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Post by Jon Eulette on 5/17/2019, 9:56 pm

I would try going to a local FFL and seeing if he is willing to accept and register the Match Gun pistol to you. FFL's have been known to have their own interpretation of the law and some will and some won't perform transaction. Don't bother asking the state because they're not your friend. Living in Calif has taught me a few things about registering firearms. My gut feeling is you can do it. 
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Post by Bestdentist99 on 5/17/2019, 11:45 pm

That’s a great suggestion, Jon. Once the gun is accepted by the FFL it is simply a matter of getting it registered to your license. There is no requirement for the gun to be examined by the pistol licensing unit, nor do they care. Since the MatchGun does not have a “regular” magazine inserted in front of the trigger guard, but a tube located under the barrel, it is definitely is not qualified as an “assault weapon” according to the ludicrous “Safe Act”. I will contact my FFL and see if he agrees.
I will definitely have everyone posted.
Thanks to all for your input.

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Post by thessler on 5/18/2019, 5:58 am

I don't know the answer. In suffolk county the sheriff has to examine the pistol and put it on your license.  So in Suffolk even if it gets past the ffl it might not get past the sherrif dept. They have the final say.

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Post by Outthere on 5/18/2019, 7:30 am

You need to get a copy of the statute.

It all depends on how it's written.

I would not rely on anyone's opinion, FFL, or otherwise.

BTW, the Police don't care about your .22 caliber target pistol. They're busy.

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Post by thessler on 5/19/2019, 5:54 am




BTW, the Police don't care about your .22 caliber target pistol. They're busy.
Wrong. Every gun every serial number. If it doesn't comply you can't own it.

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Post by Bestdentist99 Today at 2:08 am

Spoke to my FFL in Nassau County, in his words -“no problem, legal”.
Spoke to Kang (US importer) -I’m ordering one!
Anyone else interested?

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Post by Ray Dash Today at 4:19 am

Bestdentist99 wrote:Spoke to my FFL in Nassau County, in his words -“no problem, legal”.
Spoke to Kang (US importer) -I’m ordering one!
Anyone else interested?
How does that work when you go to put it on your permit? Does the pistol have to be on the county's database or can they manually add it at that time? I am not sure the FFL is the one that can determine the legality or not. I know for a fact that one FFL I was using was not up on all the SAFE act laws and was saying that it was legal to order pistols with 15 round mags.

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Post by Bestdentist99 Today at 6:09 am

Once the gun is received by the FFL, he writes out a purchase document stating the caliber, name, serial number, barrel length and color of the gun. I take the receipt to the police department pistol licensing section. They put the gun on the license and give me a stamped receipt which I take back to the FFL and pick up the gun.

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Post by Ray Dash Today at 6:22 am

Bestdentist99 wrote:Once the gun is received by the FFL, he writes out a purchase document stating the caliber, name, serial number, barrel length and color of the gun. I take the receipt to the police department pistol licensing section. They put the gun on the license and give me a stamped receipt which I take back to the FFL and pick up the gun.
I understand that but when I go to the pistol permit office here I wonder if they manually put the make and model in or they find it on their computer system.  I guess I will have to call and ask them. If my FFL says it's good to go I will have one for sure.

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Post by Bestdentist99 Today at 6:28 am

They manually enter the information into the computer. I honestly don’t know if when they do that the computer runs some sort of a database check and matches it to the Safe act parameters. There is nothing on the purchase document that describes the location of the magazine on the gun or the insertion of the magazine into the gun. According to the FFL a gun has to meet specific requirements to be considered an assault weapon, which I read carefully. It states that a semiautomatic weapon capable of holding a removable magazine inserted into the firearm forward of the trigger guard is considered illegal. The magazine on the MG2 is inserted into the gun parallel to the barrel and above the trigger guard and the trigger, not in front of it. Does the police have every manufactured gun listed in their database which cross references it to the specifics of each gun? I seriously doubt it, and they do to some extent rely on the FFL as a check point. That’s why they (in Nassau County, at least) NO longer require the gun to be inspected by them after it is picked up from the FFL.

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Post by Ray Dash Today at 8:28 am

Well let me know once the pistol is transferred to your possession,  that way I can show it to my FFL and have him do a transfer for me.

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Post by Slartybartfast Today at 8:58 am

Bestdentist99 wrote:Does the police have every manufactured gun listed in their database which cross references it to the specifics of each gun? I seriously doubt it, and they do to some extent rely on the FFL as a check point.
Can't speak for the USA or NY, but in Canada the RCMP has an extensive database the Firearms Reference Table.
As the federal gov't in the USA tracks/approves all imports and exports I would be more amazed if they didn't also have something similar.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/online_en-ligne/frt-traf-eng.htm
http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hub/71705/file-15721405-pdf/docs/frt.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Firearms_Program wrote:

  • Firearms Reference Table (FRT), a comprehensive firearms database with over 130,000 entries, which establishes a systematic, standard method of identifying, describing and classifying firearms.

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