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Post by Sheriff1962 on Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:16 pm

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Somewhat confused with the whole front sight business.  I shoot better with thinner front sight when use centerhold and shoot better with thicker front sight when shoot 6 o'clock or sub six o'clock.......    makes any sense ?

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Post by WesG on Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:15 pm

john bickar wrote:
WesG wrote:'Pumpkin on a post'

AKA, a 'flat tire' hold to rifle shooters.

If you're really shooting "flat tire", then I have a couple of ideas to get you out of the Marksman class. Provided you don't move to Texas first.
I was just posting an alternate name for the same thing. I've never used a flat tire hold with the rifle. At least not deliberately. I have alternated between 6:00 and CM, even in the same stage when my eyes were getting tired. And for a couple years I shot 6:00 at 200, and CM at 300. Makes it impossible to forget to put your elevation on ;-)

There's also a 'Reverse Flat Tire'. But I can't come up with any image in my head where that makes sense, unless you hold the gun upside down.

Of course the question comes up re a flat tire hold holding me back ... how would I use that with a dot? ;-)

I used to do well with my 44 revolvers using a 6:00 hold. That was 2 hands, way back when I could still control the tremors in my right hand with my left. I'm pretty sure I could have shot cleans at 25 yds, slow fire of course.

After last weekend's AP match, I started to see the usefulness of a journal. Or at least a post-it in the manual. And, that the manual should actually be READ!

I had no idea there are 2 elevation adjustments on the P8X. But there's another 'short story' in the making.

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Post by john bickar on Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:01 pm

WesG wrote:
john bickar wrote:
WesG wrote:'Pumpkin on a post'

AKA, a 'flat tire' hold to rifle shooters.

If you're really shooting "flat tire", then I have a couple of ideas to get you out of the Marksman class. Provided you don't move to Texas first.
I was just posting an alternate name for the same thing. I've never used a flat tire hold with the rifle. At least not deliberately. I have alternated between 6:00 and CM, even in the same stage when my eyes were getting tired. And for a couple years I shot 6:00 at 200, and CM at 300. Makes it impossible to forget to put your elevation on ;-)

There's also a 'Reverse Flat Tire'. But I can't come up with any image in my head where that makes sense, unless you hold the gun upside down.

Of course the question comes up re a flat tire hold holding me back ... how would I use that with a dot? ;-)

I used to do well with my 44 revolvers using a 6:00 hold. That was 2 hands, way back when I could still control the tremors in my right hand with my left. I'm pretty sure I could have shot cleans at 25 yds, slow fire of course.

After last weekend's AP match, I started to see the usefulness of a journal. Or at least a post-it in the manual. And, that the manual should actually be READ!

I had no idea there are 2 elevation adjustments on the P8X. But there's another 'short story' in the making.

As an experienced pistol shooter, when I crossed over to high power, I had a tough time trying to understand what the various sight picture terms meant (and still really don't). In particular, I have ingrained the idea of "wobble area" so much into shooting that I never knew how precise I needed to be on that sight picture.

Hm, maybe that's why it took me 10 years to leg out.
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Post by WesG on Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:25 pm

Well, if you look at the math of a 12" ten ring at 600 with a 30 cal bullet, the 10 ring at 50 for a 45 slug would be .575".

Probably a more fair comparison would be offhand. That's 2.876" at 50yds. Thats smaller than a B-6 (3.36).

But you've got a coat and glove, and get to use both hands.

Oops, buggered the math. That's for the whole aiming black, 13". 1.376 sounds a bit harder.

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Post by Wobbley on Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:32 am

john bickar wrote:

As an experienced pistol shooter, when I crossed over to high power, I had a tough time trying to understand what the various sight picture terms meant (and still really don't). In particular, I have ingrained the idea of "wobble area" so much into shooting that I never knew how precise I needed to be on that sight picture.

Hm, maybe that's why it took me 10 years to leg out.

You have to develop the image of a 10 (or even better an X) in your sight picture. You don’t break the shot unless the sights show a 10. One of the best training I had on sight picture and breaking the shot was in a team match. At 600 yard prone My coach was having me favor for the wind changes and he’d tell me to “break a 9:00 o’clock X or 10 throughout the string (and a few other places. Ended up with a 487 for that match. With an M1A. This taught me that you really have to look at the sight picture as well as sight alignment AND details matter.

I’m sure the HM shooters in pistol are capable of seeing to that level. With the sights aligned they know what “picture” will give them a 10 and what gives them an X. They also know what “picture” with the sighs not perfectly in alignment will give them a 10. So if the gun is capable they know the shot will be true.

Maybe I’m not explaining this very well, but there are two aspects to iron sights, alignment and picture. Both have to be “in the zone” to get a 10. Xs are gravy, at least for me.
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