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Post by xman on 8/1/2019, 11:40 pm

First topic message reminder :

After reading and looking at the photos from Perry, I noticed that the 50yd line and the 25yd line were separate.
This meant collecting up your gear and future targets and hustling  over to the next stage.

I am wondering if Camp Atterberry will be setup the same. Anyone have a clue?

I can understand the reasoning in the Perry set up..It allows shooters to fire during different conditions, etc.
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Post by SteveT on 9/25/2019, 8:21 am

One of the things I appreciate about this forum is the very low level of emoji use.
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Post by jmdavis on 10/1/2019, 10:32 am

CR10X wrote:Jim:

I've got to disagree a little with "The CMP knows how to run matches."  CMP President's, NIT, and NTT line callers did not have or follow the correct commands actually included in the CMP rules on my range on Sunday.  John and I had to point out the changes that needed to be made in the script to be correct. The line volunteers didn't have a clue about plugs or scoring. 

And if you happened to shoot on the "new" CMP metal frame turning targets on range 3, how did you like the 2 to 4 seconds of continued vibration after the targets turned?  The new turning mechanism needs some tuning and buffers. 

I'm sure they will get better, but its not a slam dunk for them either.  I'm also waiting to find out how the CMP will determine a classification system, assuming they will use one for a 2700 type match. 

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Cecil, 

You and Clark run some of the best matches in the country as do the people at Canton. And you bring up really good points. I too have an issue with the way that the rules are written for the EIC. But I will offer an example of NRA vs. CMP in regard to match operations. 

I realized at Andy's on 22 EIC day, that my score card was in my pocket rather than at CMP. I drove back to Perry at 17:30, knocked stridently on the door and apologized profusely about the mistake. The score was entered within 30 minutes. It didn't win anything but that is a different story. 

Let's compare and contrast that to NRA scores actually turned in but misplaced in the Stats office. When the shooter went to the NRA they were told that it was more than 90 minutes after the prelim results had been posted and though it was the fault of the Stats office, the scores would be ignored. There was no notice that the prelims had been posted however. That has happened multiple times in multiple disciplines in the past few years. In at least one case the rules committee overruled the decision. But in another the decision stood. 

If you or I were running a match and we made a mistake, we would correct it, without question. Then again we wouldn't explain that a match that can be entered multiple times with the highest score counting couldn't be a re-entry match because there was no limit on the number of entries. 

I want the NRA to get things straight. But I wanted that for High Power and Smallbore too. The attendance for each has dropped by more than 66% since they moved from Perry. Someone on here noted that they may not need 300 pistol and smallbore points at Atterbury, likely they are correct.
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Post by Colt711 on 10/9/2019, 10:54 pm

xman wrote:300 x 40inches is 1000 feet (40 inches is I think what to rules say per position)

add in line breaks every of 36 inches every 10 positions for shooters to score equals another 90 feet to the line.

Ads in qualified ROs every 25 positions, thats 12 ROs

My math might be incorrect but thats a lot of structures to build, turning system to develop and staff to train.

I am all for not having the shooters move, but practically outweights ideals.
A source told me they plan 3 shooters a table and the same (sized) tables used @ Perry. Current information is there will be  very little Commercial Row due to red tape. Junior employees for range setup, supply, and changes are nearly non existent due to labor law. This from a 29+ yr Perry employee and past rifle & pistol Perry shooter.
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Post by SteveT on 10/10/2019, 7:57 am

Does this person have an inside view of the planning NRA is doing? I expect the NRA to follow there own guidelines.

From the NRA Range Source Book 2004 section 3.01.3.2
Discipline                       Firing Position Width
Conventional Pistol            4 feet
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Post by -TT- on 10/10/2019, 8:16 am

It seems quite unsafe to cram three shooters into the Perry bench. That would be a very short distance from the .45 ejection port to the next shooter's face. And the box alone would take up all the table space for benching the gun and making it visibly safe.

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Post by Colt711 on 10/13/2019, 9:18 am

Does this person have an inside view of the planning NRA is doing? I expect the NRA to follow there own guidelines.

From the NRA Range Source Book 2004 section 3.01.3.2
Discipline                       Firing Position Width
Conventional Pistol            4 feet
He learned what I quoted from his replacement. NRA from time to time has used rules or procedures  at Perry which we knew nothing of prior to the matches. The 1st year pistol optics appeared in large amounts refire procedure caused quite a disagreement on the line.           Ron    apologies for the "appearance" of this post, am having some kind of problem w/ computer response to commands.

Not sure what happened here. Were our posts run together. Msgs's written by ea of us are present but I'm ID's as the writer? Ron


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Post by SteveT on 10/13/2019, 10:58 am

Hmm. Doesn't really help me judge the accuracy of the info.

I know the NRA doesn't always follow it's own rules or guidelines. Sometimes it's necessary, sometimes it's just stupid. With the NRA my tendency is to believe the latter.

If they in fact cram us together that close I will not return. I suspect a lot more people will feel the same.
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Post by ted.carter.568 on 11/6/2019, 6:14 pm

Hello fellow Bullseye shooters.  The NRA Director of Competitions just completed a meeting last week at Camp Atterbury with installation leadership and range engineers.  


The below is a statement on Camp Atterbury from NRA Competitive Shooting:

The NRA Marksmanship Competition Center at Camp Atterbury, in conjunction with the State of Indiana and the National Guard is gearing up and making arrangements for the 2020 National Matches. The NRA Marksmanship Competition Center web page will be available in early 2020. Check back for updates on when we will go live, so you can access all the information you need for housing, registration and local attractions.

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Post by Wobbley on 11/6/2019, 6:36 pm

Sure, Ted, they’re “gearing up”. But statements were released including schedules. Where are they on the schedule that they published? The published schedule has about a month of buffer, IIRC, but where are they? Have they an approved design? Is the engineering been approved? How much delay do they foresee considering they have not broken ground as per their own schedule? Or do we get the Nationals at some other venue?
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Post by james r chapman on 11/6/2019, 6:51 pm

Meanwhile, at PERRY.
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Post by Jack H on 11/6/2019, 9:08 pm

They should provide a regular progress update program from now to completion.  With pix.
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Post by Colt711 on 11/7/2019, 7:46 pm

Why wasn't the Cardinal Range the location chosen by NRA for moving the matches to? The people sent to set the ranges up at Atterbury told me after the initial yr the facility was almost completely inadequate and that local staff treated them as if they couldn't figure out why they were there, not expecting them to be around long.

A neighbor to Cardinal told me they hear a lot of shooting there and they were complimentary to it saying they stay their when Grand-children visit as there is a lot to do.

This all seems very ill advised or petty.

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Post by Danehogle on 11/7/2019, 10:33 pm

You would have to ask the NRA Ron...
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Post by Mike38 on 11/8/2019, 5:46 pm

Colt711 wrote:Why wasn't the Cardinal Range the location chosen by NRA for moving the matches to?

My guess, a wild guess, money. They can probably use Atterberry for half the cost of Cardinal. Not saying anything bad about Cardinal, what they would charge would probably be worth it. Just my opinion.
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Post by dronning on 11/8/2019, 5:59 pm

Mike38 wrote:
Colt711 wrote:Why wasn't the Cardinal Range the location chosen by NRA for moving the matches to?

My guess, a wild guess, money. They can probably use Atterberry for half the cost of Cardinal. Not saying anything bad about Cardinal, what they would charge would probably be worth it. Just my opinion.
Money may have been part of it but my guess would be the idea of holding all disciplines at one location was the driver, they could set up there for the month during all the matches.  Unfortunately Cardinal doesn't (currently) have the space for a High Power range
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Post by Danehogle on 11/8/2019, 9:24 pm

I can tell you..... money was not it at all.
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