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Post by mikemyers on 8/10/2019, 6:21 pm

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I currently have two wad guns, a Salyer Springfield Armory 1911 with a two piece extended length guide rod (front part of guide rod is removed with an Allen wrench from the front of the gun), and my Salyer Caspian, that has a standard guide rod.  I use  the Nelson conversion which is now mounted on the Caspian frame.

What is the best option to shoot both 22 and 45.  I can either take both guns to the range, and use them as-is but one of the benefits of the Nelson is to allow a shooter to use the same trigger/gun/spring/grip for both 22 and 45.  If so, I think I should convert my Caspian to use a two-piece full length guide rod.   How do you guys do it?  If converting the guide rod is a good option, any recommendations of what to buy, where to buy it?

This way the slide assembly can quickly be switched between 22 and 45.

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Post by David R on 8/11/2019, 5:14 pm

If you blow up those pictures on the preious page, you can see the lugs hit the end of the spring guide. The linkis back, so it can't hit. This is out of a 1988 Auto Ordinance Thompson 1911 I purchased for $300.00 new.  

I tried a group gripper, then ended up havig the rails peened and a Wilsons barrel installed. My daugher now shoots this gun.

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Post by lablover on 8/11/2019, 6:10 pm

"The beveling of the back of the guide rod serves several very good purposes. That purpose in the longer guns is to keep the rear of the guide rod from binding on the link and barrel legs during recoil. 


Well lookin their !  Thanks again Mike


I swear I went to bed last night cranky because I knew I read the same!


I’m no Gunsmith but did stay at a holiday inn...hahahahaha
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Post by David R on 8/11/2019, 7:44 pm

Those dings in would only have been caused when in lock up. The barrel is forward in the slide. When the slide moves back, the barrel drops down and back away from the recoil spring guide. The dings are at the top of the guide, just under the barrel.

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Post by David R on 8/12/2019, 7:57 am

https://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/recoil-parts/recoil-spring-guide-rods/1911-one-piece-guide-rod-prod12436.aspx?avs%7cMake_3=1911

I have one gun with the pin hole for take down. Its a nice feature.

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Post by OldShooter43 on 8/12/2019, 1:27 pm

Mike;
I just posted a response to your inquiry on another forum.  I use Dawson Precision one piece, tool-less FLGRs on a couple of my pistols and they work great.  They make takedown a snap and keep everything together when you remove the slide assembly.  They also have a beveled nose on the guide rod as an added plus.  I know you've ordered something else, but if that doesn't work for you, check out the unit at dawsonprecision.com.

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Post by mikemyers on 8/12/2019, 1:56 pm

I held off on placing the order, so I'm still looking.   I have no idea what a "tool-less FLGR" is, or why I would want it instead of the two piece, where I use an Allen wrench.   Can you please post link to what you're referring to?

Hmm, I just watched this - pretty cool!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyKIm3Ol4lU 

I think an Allen wrench is a lot simpler.
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Post by OldShooter43 on 8/12/2019, 2:22 pm

Mike, I did post the website address - dawsonprecision.com.  Sorry that I didn't post a "link".  The tool-less guide rod lets you capture the guide rod and spring with the slide held back by simply depressing a small lever that's built into the guide rod itself.  You can then remove the slide stop and take the entire slide assembly off without removing the barrel bushing. Everything stays together.  The Dawson Precision guide rod also has the beveled nose that you're looking for.  The tool-less guide rod isn't cheap, it's $69.99 plus shipping.  You also need to make sure that you get the one for 5" barrels with a bushing versus the one for bull barrels or the the one for a single manufacturer's gun.  I use the Dawson guide rod on three of my pistols, including the Les Baer hardball pistol that my Nelson conversion is mounted on.  They work as described on the website.  Once you see the picture there, you'll understand how it works.  I've shot thousands of rounds through my guns with no problems whatsoever.  Unfortunately, if you're concerned with aesthetics, they only come in stainless steel.


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Post by OldShooter43 on 8/12/2019, 2:25 pm

Mike;
Here's a direct link to the tool-less guide rod - I hope.

https://dawsonprecision.com/guiderod-1911-5-bushing-barrel-tool-less-by-dawson-precision/

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Post by mikemyers on 8/12/2019, 2:59 pm

Hi, and thanks.  I'm probably spending way too much time on this.  It turns out most people I discuss it with have never heard of the bevel, or why it's useful.  That's the main thing I'm interested in, the bevel.  

The tool-less guide rod is fascinating, but I don't have any interest in it.  I'd rather use an Allen wrench, for a two-piece guide rod.  I'm not all that interested in a one piece guide rod anyway.

After following several links, I ended up at the Fusionfirearms website, then called and spoke to Tyler in their support area.  He too was unaware of "the bevel", so I'm going to send him an email with links and photos.  Maybe they'll add it as a product.  I guess for me, my "Plan B" is to do it myself with a file.

Thanks for searching, and I'm glad you're happy with the tool-less guide rod you're using.  Having watched the video several times now, it's pretty fascinating.  For me though, I'd rather keep things simple.
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Post by David R on 8/12/2019, 5:46 pm

You could sharpie the end of your guide rod.   Shoot a few rounds and you will know if you need the bevel.  
2 piece guide rods do loosen occasionally.  

Good luck.   Shoot a bunch of Xs 

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Post by mikemyers on 8/13/2019, 1:37 pm

I spoke to Courtney at Fusion Firearms.  They have the two piece full length 5" guide rods in stock, and Tyler said he would be add the bevel using a belt sander, then ship it out to me.

I asked Courtney if I should leave a note in the forums about it - she said sure, if anyone else wants one, they can order from the web page, or call Courtney directly at 941 485-2579.  She will pass on the information to Tyler.

The order total amount is $37.  I should have it in a week or so.

Thanks to everyone who helped with alternate solutions, but I'd like to stick with something I already know and use.

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