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Post by 1joel1 on Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:37 am

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I recently bought some "new" CCI .22. It's the new style box and looks the same as usual. I usually practice FIFO (First In First Out), but I had only bought 4 bricks so though I would just shoot that first. I only shot 100 rounds and of that, 5 from the first box and 3 from the second box fired differently. They poofed, rather than popped, and left a big blue cloud of smoke. I wasn't able to tell if it affected the shot or where it landed on my target.

Has anyone ever experienced this with CCI, or any other .22 cartridge? I'm wondering if it is light strike from my pistol or the ammo. I don't remember this happening with the other CCI, but I could try another pistol. I know this is a small sample, but 8 of 100 is disconcerting.

Any ideas or opinions?

Thanks in advance,

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Post by sharkdoctor on Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:21 pm

For those of you who are having issues with CCI, have you measured velocities, and if so, are those rounds that fail to extract, or fail to feed the next round showing reduced velocities?  I ask because I think that some brands have cases that seem to stick more in the chamber, that is, it is not a velocity issue but maybe has to do with brass elasticity.

Not fixable on our end, but maybe an explanation for why some rounds work but others don't when velocity is essentially the same.

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Post by James Hensler on Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:30 pm

I just received a new case this week! I will chrono them and some 32’s for everyone tomorrow. I have to tell everyone this other than some that got moisture from the downpours at canton my Pardini 6 inch Bullseye has never had a failure.
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Post by PhotoEscape on Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:52 pm

sharkdoctor wrote:For those of you who are having issues with CCI, have you measured velocities, and if so, are those rounds that fail to extract, or fail to feed the next round showing reduced velocities?  I ask because I think that some brands have cases that seem to stick more in the chamber, that is, it is not a velocity issue but maybe has to do with brass elasticity.

Not fixable on our end, but maybe an explanation for why some rounds work but others don't when velocity is essentially the same.

Issues I experienced in revolver points to priming compound, and have nothing to do with chambering, IMHO.  All issues in semi-autos also can be explained with priming compound deficiencies - it doesn't develop sufficient ignition for powder to light up at once and develop prescribed pressure.  I expect velocity testing will show some difference, not significant though.

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Post by James Hensler on Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:29 pm

Here are the results from today
This was shot with my Pardini 6 inch Bullseye New SV CCI .22 (35 in Paper Box) Issues - Page 2 Ab0d0a10
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Post by James Hensler on Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:31 pm

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New SV CCI .22 (35 in Paper Box) Issues - Page 2 Ad5d8b10This was shot with my Hammerli 280
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Post by James Hensler on Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:33 pm

It appears that the extra inch is worth about 30 feet per second. But the groups are just about the same.
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Post by sharkdoctor on Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:05 pm

Thanks for the data, James.  The velocities are pretty uniform.  Did any fail to fully extract or fail to chamber the next round?  I was curious to see if those failures of CCI in a semiauto were due to reduced velocity.  Some have noted puffs of smoke, low felt recoiling rounds and some that don't "sound right" and I was wondering if function problems were due to reduced velocities.  Of course, if failure rates are measured at say 5% or so, that means a lot of observations are required!  Thanks again.

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Post by James Hensler on Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:17 pm

Sir I must be a rare bird. I got about 200 rounds wet in a downpour at the Canton NRA Regional. I had about half of them fail to fire. All I have shot is CCI SV and it’s got to be over 10000. Those are the only malfunctions I have ever had!
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Post by james r chapman on Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:20 pm

James. Is that new box CCI red stripe on individual boxes.
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Post by James Hensler on Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:44 pm

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This is what Target Sports sent 5000 case 239 shipped
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Post by james r chapman on Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:04 pm

James Hensler wrote:New SV CCI .22 (35 in Paper Box) Issues - Page 2 3b047e10


This is what Target Sports sent 5000 case 239 shipped
Looks like NOS
The good stuff not the new problem stuff
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Post by zanemoseley on Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:28 pm

So what do the boxes look like on the problem boxes?

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Post by James Hensler on Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:30 pm

People are saying they have had problems with this box also. Maybe not in this post but I have seen it. 


The box has a big red stripe on the bottom 1/3 of the box
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Post by REConley on Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:49 pm

Was at the range today grouping 4 different 22 loads in my new 7.5" 41. CCI SV paper box, CCI Pistol match, Aguila Pistol Match and Federal Premium Target Gold. The Federal had no issues other than not grouping very well. The Aguila had a few fail to pickup the next round (Spring Issue?) and was the worst in group size. The CCI Match was flawless and the CCI SV also had a few failure to pickup next round. Wolff recoil spring pack arrived today. Maybe the fail to pick a round will go away. 

The best grouping ammo of the lot was the CCI SV paper box by a good margin. If I can get the FTF issue solved with either the 7, 6.5 or 6 pound spring, I will not miss buying the CCI Match.
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Post by TonyH on Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:52 pm

zanemoseley wrote:So what do the boxes look like on the problem boxes?
New SV CCI .22 (35 in Paper Box) Issues - Page 2 Efab6b10L
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Post by James Hensler on Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:37 pm

REConley wrote:Was at the range today grouping 4 different 22 loads in my new 7.5" 41. CCI SV paper box, CCI Pistol match, Aguila Pistol Match and Federal Premium Target Gold. The Federal had no issues other than not grouping very well. The Aguila had a few fail to pickup the next round (Spring Issue?) and was the worst in group size. The CCI Match was flawless and the CCI SV also had a few failure to pickup next round. Wolff recoil spring pack arrived today. Maybe the fail to pick a round will go away. 

The best grouping ammo of the lot was the CCI SV paper box by a good margin. If I can get the FTF issue solved with either the 7, 6.5 or 6 pound spring, I will not miss buying the CCI Match.

I don’t think failure to pickup the next round has anything to do the the round itself. Work on your mags and I think you will have success! People make fun of CCI SV because it’s so cheap but it is really hard to beat unless you spend a lot more
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Post by REConley on Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:46 pm

You are most likely right. I have two mags no.1 and 2 that when I run the follower down far enough to load 8 or 9 rounds the follower hangs up. They are sitting here on the table awaiting some attention.  I also installed a 7# mainspring to see if the ejection improves. It is dropping a lot of cases on the shooting bench below the gun.  Thanks for the comments.
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Post by PhotoEscape on Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:56 pm

James Hensler wrote:
REConley wrote:Was at the range today grouping 4 different 22 loads in my new 7.5" 41. CCI SV paper box, CCI Pistol match, Aguila Pistol Match and Federal Premium Target Gold. The Federal had no issues other than not grouping very well. The Aguila had a few fail to pickup the next round (Spring Issue?) and was the worst in group size. The CCI Match was flawless and the CCI SV also had a few failure to pickup next round. Wolff recoil spring pack arrived today. Maybe the fail to pick a round will go away. 

The best grouping ammo of the lot was the CCI SV paper box by a good margin. If I can get the FTF issue solved with either the 7, 6.5 or 6 pound spring, I will not miss buying the CCI Match.

I don’t think failure to pickup the next round has anything to do the the round itself. Work on your mags and I think you will have success! People make fun of CCI SV because it’s so cheap but it is really hard to beat unless you spend a lot more
James,
You've tested ammo that I've never had issues with, and I've shot over 25000 of it over the years.  Ammo with problems is new one, and boxes look slightly different.  TonyH posted picture of it.  That is what gave me problems, and one of those is exhibited itself in exact way as described by REConely on M41, - after shot fired, slide doesn't cycle all the way and hence doesn't clear full length of magazine and doesn't pickup next round.

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Post by Bmitch996 on Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:35 am

+1  for having problems with this "New" CCI ammo,  function problems and a lot more duds than the old stuff.

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Post by Mike38 on Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:32 pm

Bmitch996 wrote:+1  for having problems with this "New" CCI ammo,  function problems and a lot more duds than the old stuff.

Get ahold of CCI and let them know. They sent a call tag and UPS picked up the case I had. Supposedly I'm getting a refund.
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Post by REConley on Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:11 am

TonyH wrote:
zanemoseley wrote:So what do the boxes look like on the problem boxes?
New SV CCI .22 (35 in Paper Box) Issues - Page 2 Efab6b10L

I just received a brick of that version (packaging) of CCI SV last week and I shot 200 rds of it yesterday. I did not have any ammo issues, yesterday. Maybe we are getting through the QC batch? The source was Target Sports USA and number under the flap is G31AA05. I plan on shooting up the balance later this week. I will post if I have any ammo related issues.
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Post by Mike38 on Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:14 pm

REConley wrote:
TonyH wrote:
zanemoseley wrote:So what do the boxes look like on the problem boxes?
New SV CCI .22 (35 in Paper Box) Issues - Page 2 Efab6b10L

I just received a brick of that version (packaging) of CCI SV last week and I shot 200 rds of it yesterday. I did not have any ammo issues, yesterday. Maybe we are getting through the QC batch? The source was Target Sports USA and number under the flap is G31AA05. I plan on shooting up the balance later this week. I will post if I have any ammo related issues.

The bad case I had was also purchased from Target Sports, lot number B18A205. CCI said that lot was made in January 2019 and had a total count of 160,000 rounds. It may be gone by now. CCI also said that I was the first complaint from that lot. I think that's why they hesitated on offering a refund / replacement. Supposedly, their policy is to not ship ammo to Illinois, so I'm getting a refund. I appreciate them doing that, but would appreciate quality ammo even more.
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Post by Bmitch996 on Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:05 pm

Mike38 wrote:
Bmitch996 wrote:+1  for having problems with this "New" CCI ammo,  function problems and a lot more duds than the old stuff.

Get ahold of CCI and let them know. They sent a call tag and UPS picked up the case I had. Supposedly I'm getting a refund.

I've only got three bricks left so I'll just shoot it up for practice and in the revolver.  The unopened case I have turned out to be the old style blue paper box.  No problems with this ammo today.

Lot# on the questionable ammo is B13AA11


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Post by James Hensler on Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:14 pm

Hey guys I just received a new Case of the new stuff on Wednesday and got to shoot it some today. I have 400 of my old stuff left and I have had zero failures of any kind with them. So I always end up at the 25 yard line and after shooting a few 100’s in a row I decided to shoot a group off of my sandbags. The group is normally 1 inch high at 11 off of the bags versus me shooting off hand. My 10 shot group was actually where it should have been! Now I did the exact same thing with the new stuff and group after group was 5 o’clock low in the 9 ring! I shot a whole box of 50 and they all was right there. So I shot another 10 shot group with my old stuff and bam 11 O’clock 1 inch high. Guess Who’s testing all next week!!!!!!
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Post by spyer40 on Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:05 am

I've been shooting Geco lately which shoots well but tired of wiping the gunk off it before shooting and cleaning more often. Has anybody talked to CCI about the issues or are they confined to certain lots? Getting low and need to order something

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