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Post by smsnyder on 9/7/2019, 5:46 pm

Why you guys using this type of sight vs a reflex sight? What size dot you guys using?

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Post by Wobbley on 9/7/2019, 6:28 pm

Dot sizes seem to be trending smaller but most use 2 MOA to 6 MOA.
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Post by smsnyder on 9/7/2019, 6:31 pm

2 moa to a 6 moa is a big spread? What does these dot sights cost? Thanks

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Post by Wobbley on 9/7/2019, 6:36 pm

A pretty big spread in cost. $200 to $700 depending on make and model. The real question is do you want reflex or tube. I have both and am warming up to reflex more. But make sure the reticle is a dot and not something exotic.
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Post by smsnyder on 9/7/2019, 6:41 pm

I love the leupold Delta Point Pro so much I ordered a second one for my 9mm target gun. I had a vortex venom and sold it. Leupold has a larger glass. Bigger screw slots to adjust the sight. Nice top loading battery. No screw driver needed. Easier to adjust red dot levels. The red dot goes on and off by itself just by moving the gun.

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Post by Allgoodhits on 9/7/2019, 7:34 pm

smsnyder wrote:I love the leupold Delta Point Pro so much I ordered a second one for my 9mm target gun. I had a vortex venom and sold it. Leupold has a larger glass. Bigger screw slots to adjust the sight. Nice top loading battery. No screw driver needed. Easier to adjust red dot levels. The red dot goes on and off by itself just by moving the gun.

For .22LR what ever sight /dot you like is likely fine. When it comes to .45 and probably centerfire if one shoots a caliber less than .45, then most people will make a sight adjustment going from 50 yds to 25 to 50. That adjustment, varies between shooters and scopes. Those adjustments which must be easy to determine, adjust, then return to previous settings, easily, quickly and repeatable zero, time after time. For this reason, inexpensive, or lesser quality scopes do not hold up. Either they will not repeat zero after many, many changes, or they loose the "clicks" we use to determine the adjustment, or they move after the adjustment.

I will not address brands "newly manufactured" which are substandard "today" but, I will say on a positive side, AIMPOINT seems to garner the attention of many. The 9000SC and Micro H1 are seen quite often among the best shooters on the line. I think that means something worthy of being a clue. They have good optics, solid construction, long battery life, repeatable zero and positive clicks. Fairly expensive, but what is a lost zero worth 50 - 300 miles from home, and of course in the middle of match?
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Post by mikemyers on 9/7/2019, 8:09 pm

smsnyder wrote:Why you guys using this type of sight vs a reflex sight? What size dot you guys using?
Lots of things to consider.....
Weight - the Aimpoint 9000sc is a wonderful sight, with a wide field of view and a beautiful round dot, but it's heavy.  Or, you can can get a reflex sight which often is very light weight.

View - some sights allow you to see "more" around the target, or "less".  When the gun moves after you fire it, it can take a lot of time just to "find the dot" so you can take another shot.

Mount - if you're mounting a sight on a 22, it's not going to get abused that much, but if you mount it to the slide on a 45, unless you have a good mount, it might not last.  Even for the Aimpoint sights, a lot of people buy the Kodiak steel mount, which will last "forever".

Dot - some sights have a nice clean round dot, and others aren't so nice.  If your eyes have astigmatism, the dot is likely to be a "streak", not a dot.  Check this out before you buy.

Type of mount - if you're mounting the sight on a slide that moves back and forth, the added weight will change the way the gun functions.  You'll probably need to use a different recoil spring to make up for the added weight that is moving back and forth.

Glass - some sights have the glass lens in a location where it's more likely to get dirty or wet, and others have the glass recessed somewhat, maybe with a "lens hood" to protect the glass.

Adjustments - I have one old sight from years ago that doesn't get bright enough to allow it to be used in sunlight.  Make sure the sight you're going to buy has a wide enough range of adjustments.

Warranty - some sights have a warranty that lasts forever - if the sight has a problem, they'll fix it at no charge.

Auto-off - some sights will turn off automatically after a while if you forget.  This can help avoid a dead battery.

Battery - some sights use batteries that you can buy at the local hardware shop.  That can be helpful.

Mounting screws - if you're attaching the sight to a rail, make sure that the sight mount fits the type of rail on your gun, and that the mounting screws fit through the "notches".  

Budget - as noted up above, you can buy very inexpensive sights, or spent up to around a thousand dollars.

Waterproof - if this is a concern, make sure you buy an appropriate sight that is sealed to the weather.

MOA - the advice I was given was to get a 2MOA sight, as a larger dot covers up too much of the bullseye.  Most of my sights are 2MOA or 3MOA.


My opinion - you get what you pay for.

The Matcdot Ultradot you mentioned is a tube style sight, but Matchdot also makes the LT1 which is a reflex sight.  Because of the design, it's much lighter.
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Post by adminbot1911 on 9/7/2019, 9:02 pm

12MOA Ultradot 4-dot .22 at 50 and 25 with no sight adjustments, hold over only. 12 MOA is almost exactly the size of the aiming black for me at 50 yards.

4MOA Aimpoint H1 + Shue hoods in black FOR .45, also no manual sight adjustments.

Tried reflex sights, worked with some success in .22 only. Would NOT hold zero with .45. Might use for action shooting, not my first choice for bullseye.


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Post by CrankyThunder on 9/8/2019, 6:39 am

Dear SMSnyder:

Most of the shoot and scoot guys, the idpa, ipsic and others, use the reflex sight because the reflex sight has less of a windowframe clutterng up the sight picture as they go from target to target to target.  Us bullseye shooters like the tube style sights because we use the tube of the sight to line up the gun during timed and rapid fire.  At least that is my opinion.  

There was a poll here on Bullseye L about dot size, the majority used 4 moa while a significant portion used 2 MOA.  Since most of the new micro dots are only available in 2 MOA, A lot of shooters are going to start using 2 moa dots as they downsize to the miro dots.  

Personally, I just downsized from a 9000 SC to a aimpoint H1.  I was fortunate whereas I found a 4 MOA H1 although looking through it, I am not sure there is much difference between a 2 MOA and 4 MOA aimpoint H1.  

Quite frankly, since I switched to the H1 on the Pardini, I took a long hard look at the Ultra Dot Match Dot II's on my other firearms and decided I have had enough of the negative magnification of the Ultra Dot and the additional weight on top of the gun.  Already switched one gun (FWB) to the Holosun, one of my 41's to a sig romeo 5 and my Free pistol to a old tasco Pro Point I had in the parts box.  I have a Nikon Micro Dot and a performance center micro dot on order for my other firearms.  

For what it is worth, the tasco pro point has one of the most purest dots I have ever seen.  It is a 5 moa dot and you turn the brightness down and shoot through the dot to the bull and it works very well for me on my free pistol.  Wish I could find a 4 moa dot as round and distinct as the tasco on a micro dot. 

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Post by smsnyder on 9/8/2019, 7:13 am

Thanks guys

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Post by JayhawkNavy02 on 9/8/2019, 2:41 pm

Wobbley wrote:Dot sizes seem to be trending smaller but most use 2 MOA to 6 MOA.

6 MOA is a pretty big dot.  I haven’t ever seen someone shooting one, but I suppose it isn’t impossible.  I see most with 2 to 4 MOA.  Some dots like the UD MD II adjust from 2 - 8 MOA, I believe, but 6 is sizable.   Personally I won't buy another UD due to the negative magnification and poor reliability.  Battery life and lack of waterproofing are just extra reasons to go with Aimpoint....plus I have them at work.  Great dots.


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Post by adminbot1911 on 9/9/2019, 2:48 pm

I like big dots and I cannot lie
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Post by WesG on 9/9/2019, 11:00 pm

LOL!!!

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