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Post by adminbot1911 on 9/7/2019, 8:01 pm

Doing my final pre-match inspection before a 2700 tomorrow and saw this. No idea how long it had been there, the whole setup is second hand. I DID notice the dinged slide stop notch when I bought it.

Basic question is: how many rounds can I get through it before I need to shelve it (aka will it make it through the rest of the season)?

Second question is: who can I send it to for a quick turn around repair/replacement? 

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Post by Jon Eulette on 9/7/2019, 8:28 pm

Frerking/Marvel supposedly welds and cleans them up. Cerakote finish afterwards.
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Post by Allgoodhits on 9/7/2019, 8:38 pm

I recently went through this. Frerking/Marvel offered a new slide exchange (with $$$) but I had to send in the old slide. I think it was about $150, assuming they could use some of the steel components from the old slide. In my case, some of the components needed to be changed. One item was because it was an old slide with the narrow extractor. Sad part was the cracked slide was a 6" and they no longer, or didn't have those a few months ago.
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Post by Olde Pilot on 9/7/2019, 8:47 pm

You can try a small "stop drill" hole at the end of the crack. Could last a whole season or fail tomorrow. But, your crack is short and I would try drilling it and think good thoughts!

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Post by adminbot1911 on 9/7/2019, 8:47 pm

Had to have developed over the course of the season... these pictures were taken in May and seem to indicate some stress but no crack.

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Post by Jon Eulette on 9/7/2019, 8:57 pm

I would personally find a local Tig welder to weld it.
I'm not a fan of the new ownership of Marvel's business model. I don't promote the Marvel's anymore. I do love my old longslide though.
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Post by Allgoodhits on 9/8/2019, 7:10 pm

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Robert Garrett at Northern Virginia Gun Works in Springfield can tig weld. Whether or not he will do it is another matter. It may be worth a stop in. You'll likely speak to Sandy. If you don't know them, be sure to tell them that you are a competitive shooter, and military.

They have build many custom guns for mw over the years. Sandy, going back to the 70's. Tell Sandy, I said hello. Give them a shout. 703-644-6504 ~ Martin
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Post by jglenn21 on 9/8/2019, 8:19 pm

might think about the Micro welding process.. Pullman Arms does a lot of firearms repair using that process.   much smaller and more controlled than std. Tig

https://pullmanarms.com/gun_smithing_services/
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Post by Wes Lorenz on 9/8/2019, 10:21 pm

You might inquire and find out if the slides are made from 7075 aluminum which I remember.
Yes, 7075 is good for slides, but is alloyed with zinc which makes it un-weldable.
7075 melts before the 4043 or 5356 tig rod melts.
If someone is welding it - they are welding gods.

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Post by adminbot1911 on 9/9/2019, 8:34 am

Wes Lorenz wrote:You might inquire and find out if the slides are made from 7075 aluminum which I remember.
Yes, 7075 is good for slides, but is alloyed with zinc which makes it un-weldable.
7075 melts before the 4043 or 5356 tig rod melts.
If someone is welding it - they are welding gods.
Fantastic info, hadn't even thought of that, thank you.
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Post by Al on 9/9/2019, 8:49 am

Allgoodhits wrote:I recently went through this. Frerking/Marvel offered a new slide exchange (with $$$) but I had to send in the old slide. I think it was about $150, assuming they could use some of the steel components from the old slide. In my case, some of the components needed to be changed. One item was because it was an old slide with the narrow extractor. Sad part was the cracked slide was a 6" and they no longer, or didn't have those a few months ago.
Ditto for me, and at about the same time frame. Same old extractor.
In my case, Sheila (from the old Marvel crew) noticed a crack starting @ Perry in either 2016 or 2017, can't remember exactly. It was so small I hadn't noticed it, but it was in the same spot and side.  It lasted a little over a year, the crack extended about another 1/8'' and then extended towards the rear of the slide. 
Andrew, When mine was about 1/2" longer than yours, as pictured, I finally sent it to Ferking.
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Post by jglenn21 on 9/9/2019, 5:29 pm

hate to say it but the current Marvel web site says the aluminum slide conversions are 7075... not sure if that was the same on the old ones, but....

I do remember something seeing a new process for welding 7075, but it very new and was not in general use.   I would take Olde Pilot's advice and drill a small crack stop hole at the end of the crack.. an old method that works for stopping a crack( at least for a while).
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Post by Olde Pilot on 9/9/2019, 5:42 pm

Stop drill the darn thing. If the crack propagates later, send to Ferking for a new slide.

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Post by adminbot1911 on 9/9/2019, 8:37 pm

Olde Pilot wrote:Stop drill the darn thing. If the crack propagates later, send to Ferking for a new slide.
I think this is what I will end up doing, cheers

Backup on order in case anything like this happens again!
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Post by adminbot1911 on 9/10/2019, 11:45 am

jglenn21 wrote:hate to say it but the current Marvel web site says the aluminum slide conversions are 7075... not sure if that was the same on the old ones, but....

I do remember something seeing a new process for welding 7075, but it very new and was not in general use.   I would take Olde Pilot's advice and drill a small crack stop hole at the end of the crack.. an old method that works for stopping a crack( at least for a while).

Don't you mean... an olde method?  :laugh:

Good info, all of it, thank you.
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Post by jglenn21 on 9/10/2019, 3:00 pm

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Post by Outthere on 9/11/2019, 8:14 am

I had one crack from the breechface to the firing pin stop.

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Post by adminbot1911 on 9/11/2019, 12:53 pm

Outthere wrote:I had one crack from the breechface to the firing pin stop.
Aluminum slide, I'm guessing.  Do you happen to have a picture?  I'd love to see that.
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Post by Outthere on 9/11/2019, 5:22 pm

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Outthere wrote:I had one crack from the breechface to the firing pin stop.
Aluminum slide, I'm guessing.  Do you happen to have a picture?  I'd love to see that.
Yep, aluminum. Marvel replaced it. I'll dig for the pics.

That was about 12 years ago. So no promise for the pics.

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Post by adminbot1911 on 9/11/2019, 9:04 pm

No sweat either way.

Update: Frerking gave a quote of 135 parts plus 35 labor plus shipping for the replacement slide.
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Post by Jon Eulette on 9/11/2019, 9:40 pm

Labor for what?
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Post by adminbot1911 on 9/12/2019, 6:42 am

Jon Eulette wrote:Labor for what?
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Moving the components from the old slide to the new one, as I understand.
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Post by Jon Eulette on 9/12/2019, 9:32 am

You could do that yourself. Take you around 10 minutes at the most. There is one roll pin and 1 Torx head socket screw and that's it.
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Post by adminbot1911 on 9/12/2019, 9:45 am

Jon Eulette wrote:You could do that yourself. Take you around 10 minutes at the most. There is one roll pin and 1 Torx head socket screw and that's it.
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But then who could I complain to when I have malfunctions?  lol!


Seriously though, can I just have them mail me a slide? What fitting is required?
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Post by Jon Eulette on 9/12/2019, 10:44 am

No fitting required. Drop in parts; breech block (1 screw) and extractor (1 roll pin).
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