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Post by jlow on Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:35 pm



Interested in hearing what your experience is in terms of the precision potentials are with this gun.  I know this is not a CZ AccuShadow 2 which likely is a more precise gun, but that really is my question which is how good the Shadow Target II is?

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Post by jlow on Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:18 pm

No one???

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Post by mpolans on Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:22 pm

No, but from most of the competition CZs I've shot, the trigger pull would likely need to be *increased* to make weight.  I've felt bone stock CZ Tactical Sports that had triggers in the 2.00lb range.

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Post by zanemoseley on Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:08 pm

I've got a Shadow II and really like it. I've thought of having it acccurized and a dot rail added. I shoot it decent but never seen ransom rest results.

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Post by jlow on Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:44 am

Thanks for the input guys!  Please keep them coming in!

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Post by Slartybartfast on Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:46 am

jlow wrote:No one???
Hate to say, but I've learned to expect that if it's not about 1911s don't expect much input. You have to be patient for a few comments to trickle in. :p
Ask about choices for 45s and specifically say you’re not looking for a 1911, you'll still get a 1911 discussion. I just accept I'm a heretic shooting my CZ97.
From my perspective, I’m shooting because I enjoy it. So I want to shoot what I enjoy. I don’t enjoy 1911s and found the CZ to be a nice fit in my hand. A pistol that is “worse” than another may one day end up being what is holding you back. But the road to perfection is mostly about learning what is holding you back and working on those issues.
To me it seems that anything in the CZ SP01 or SP02 lineup should serve well as a bullseye pistol. You’ll just have to seek out CZ forums and resources if you decide to take the path of further accurizing them if you don’t fall to the BE mantra of 45 in a 1911 for CF and 45. I'm slowly looking into resources and ideas for my CZ97.


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Post by jlow on Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:52 am

Yes, I am not looking for a 1911, that is perfectly fine for some but not me but that should be OK.  Appreciate your input.

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Post by Wobbley on Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:57 am

There is a reason for the high percentage of 1911 discussion here. Bullseye was for years heavily influenced by the service teams and DCM/CMP which required the use of the 1911 pistol. So we developed a whole metric “Crapton” of support for that platform. And because of these factors most everyone uses one. It’s just easier. When we go to Perry and our pistol has an issue, we can go to a service team support trailer and their armorer will fix us right up. Can’t do that with anything else.

As for the OPs question, I shoot a CZ Shadow in 9mm Combat training. Best 9mm out there.
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Post by Outthere on Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:33 pm

Cajun Custom has some excellent hard parts for CZ pistols. CZ Custom has some too.

I love the CZ97. The gripframe is just a bit too big for me to shoot one-handed.

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Post by jlow on Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:20 pm

OK thanks again for the input - very useful thus far.

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Post by JayhawkNavy02 on Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:39 am

Wobbley wrote:There is a reason for the high percentage of 1911 discussion here.  Bullseye was for years heavily influenced by the service teams and DCM/CMP which required the use of the 1911 pistol.  So we developed a whole metric “Crapton” of support for that platform.  And because of these factors most everyone uses one.  It’s just easier.  When we go to Perry and our pistol has an issue, we can go to a service team support trailer and their armorer will fix us right up.  Can’t do that with anything else. 

The AMU NRA Pistol Team also have M9s and Hammerli 208S and may be able to help you if they have time.  The USMC has the same list plus S&W M41s (Tyro shooters).  Guard Team also has the AMU’s old K frame wheel guns and one of their Gunsmiths is very knowledgeable.  

The USMC and AMU Team use the M9/M9A1 in addition to the 1911, which didn't really catch on with the masses for EIC or even CF prior to the rule change as 1 of 2 available platforms for CMP matches.   IMO the 1911 is forgiving to shoot and that lends itself to the popularity along with the massive gunsmith support available to make a decent shooting 1911 On a budget all the way to brutally accurate.  IMO, the 1911 is also unique in that you can pretty easily get a rimfire, 9mm/38 super/38 special, 45 ACP in the same platform and that enables consistency across the course.  Hard enough to master each unique trigger, then add in another completely different platform and for fun to the mix.  No thanks.  45 ACP is also easier than 9mm to generate match quality reloads IMO with a greater variety of acceptable components.  I’m sure there are more factors, but some that I keyed in on early when I made my decision.

IMO the CZ looks like a great option for a CMP EIC pistol if it can hold the X-Ring.  I'd be very interested in seeing Ransom Rest results from one with a factory and KKM slow twist barrel.  Other than the goofy flat trigger, FO front sight and lack of FSC this CZ-75 Bullseye looks pretty amazing.  However if you need a barrel, front sight and then checker the frame you’re in full custom 1911 price territory.  Not sure if the “Bullseye” model is legal for CMP matches, but I'd like to have one regardless Wink 


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Post by jlow on Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:34 am

Lots of good points and some very good reason for considering a 1911 instead.  I don't have either pistol but thinking of one and trying to get ideas as to what would be a good decision and trying to avoid a bad decision.  

I currently only shoot action pistol but also interested in Bullseye and it may well be that I am better served with two different guns.

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Post by Slartybartfast on Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:07 am

Would love to see the CZ97 sport in person:
https://www.waffen-oschatz.de/cz-97-sport/

For all the praise heaped on the 1911, I just find it doesn't fit my hand well. Although picking up a borrowed Caspian for a service pistol EIC having only shot a .45 1911 (and that other time was the only time I shot a .45) once before I was impressed/surprised by my 82 score in timed fire.

My purchase of a CZ 97 was part that I stumbled across one in a gun store while travelling, it felt great in hand, and part that it filled the need for a .45 to shoot 2700s without spending the thousands and the long wait for the Tanfoglio Gold Match I've been interested in for a long time.

For CF, an if I shoot a service pistol EIC again, I'm shooting a Walther PPQ. A pistol, my first CF, that I bought on a whim. As again, it felt great in hand when I handled one in a store and the trigger seemed really good. As I had three separate accidental double taps during rapid and timed fire during the 2700 I shot, I know that I need to practice my trigger pulls or change pistols.

A CZ SP01, SP02 Shadow, or other CZ model has interested me. The Tanfoglio really interested me because it would be possible to have a 45acp and 9mm pistol with the one frame/trigger and it has much better ergonomics for me.

Again, my view is that I'm unlikely to make master and I'm doing this all for the enjoyment. And no matter what pistol(s) I choose, I'll need to learn and adapt and each outing will be to do the best I can with what I have and try to continually improve. I'm confident that any of the pistols I own I should be able to hit all shots in the black and move my averages into the 80's.
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Post by 1joel1 on Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:16 am

They're very heavy, but I have a TSO coming later this year. Trigger is a very nice single stage so am anxious to build up a load and give it a try.

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Post by jlow on Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:28 am

Thanks again for all the feedback.

The CZs I am looking are indeed heavy in the middle 40 odd oz range.  That at least for action shooting is one of the major advantage of the gun as it tames recoil.  Recoil not as in it hurts your hand (this is only a 9mm... Smile ) but to reduce muzzel flip so that it settles back on target fast for that 0.2 second split double tap.  At least for my division which is ESP, the weight limit is 45 oz and a guy who is shooting a gun at the weight limit competing against another guy at the 30 oz range is definitely at an advantage since your time is your starting score.

That is not to say weight is everything in terms of competitiveness, certainly skills, and loads makes a huge difference but it is part of the whole equation.  Not something that normal bullseye shooter have to worry about.

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Post by Slartybartfast on Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:43 am

jlow wrote:That is not to say weight is everything in terms of competitiveness, certainly skills, and loads makes a huge difference but it is part of the whole equation.  Not something that normal bullseye shooter have to worry about.
Same issues with taming flip in BE.
Want to have the muzzle stay on target as much as possible during timed and rapid fire.
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Post by jlow on Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:56 am

Thanks!

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