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Post by Scota4570 on 10/22/2019, 2:58 pm

I bought one brand new last year.  45 Auto .  The only change was a short reach trigger.  I am shooting mid 90s at 25 yards, timed and rapid.   50 yards is a disaster with scores around 75.  I have been shooting blazer brass 230 gr TMJ. 

I missed a leg by a few points with my Woodsman 22 recently,   I shoot a match air pistol most days.  My skills seem better than my 50 yard scores reflect.  

I called Springfield today and they said the accuracy expectation for that pistol is 3 1/2" at 25 yards.  That shatters my confidence in pistol.  It possibly explains my poor 50 yard scores.  

Can anyone comment on the accuracy they obtained with that pistol and what ammo they used?

I with I had access to a ransom rest! : )

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Post by KBarth on 10/22/2019, 3:25 pm

Fit a new barrel bushing and .200 slide stop pin. I did that to a range officer and it ransom rested about 2 in at 50 yards. Stock barrel
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Post by Scota4570 on 10/22/2019, 3:37 pm

KBarth wrote:Fit a new barrel bushing and .200 slide stop pin. I did that to a range officer and it ransom rested about 2 in at 50 yards. Stock barrel
Thanks.
Any specific bushings or particular 0.200" slide stop pins?  Possibly links?  
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Post by SteveT on 10/22/2019, 4:09 pm

If you have a MA/HM shooter around who can try your pistol they can provide feedback.

I wouldn't expect too much from Blazer 230FMJ. Buy a box or two of good quality ammo... Federal GM, ASYM, Atlanta Arms to see what the gun is capable of.

Mid 70's long line and mid 90's short line is not that far out of line, though you probably are pushing the limits of you ammo/gun and are ready for an improvement.
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Post by Scota4570 on 10/22/2019, 9:58 pm

I'll see what I can find for better ammo.  I am in California and buying ammo is a problem.

Any pet loads I could try?

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Post by adminbot1911 on 10/22/2019, 10:17 pm

Scota4570 wrote:I'll see what I can find for better ammo.  I am in California and buying ammo is a problem.

Any pet loads I could try?

That's so frustrating to hear. I despise shooting 230gr and haven't shot a round of it in years.

There are pet loads stickied in the ammunition section of the forum.

Barrel bushing, slide stop pin, and new barrel make this a very accurate pistol. If you can skip the barrel job you're very lucky.

I definitely got better than 3.5 inches at 25 yards stock, though.
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Post by jglenn21 on 10/22/2019, 10:40 pm

look at EGW for both the slide stop and the bushing.

http://www.egwguns.com/

you can measure your existing barrel and slide then order a Angle bore bushing the exact size you need from them.

If you are a reloader try the Zero/Magnus 185 JHP at 50 yds.  with

4.2 of BE or
4.2 of N310 or
4.4 of wst.
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Post by Scota4570 on 10/23/2019, 10:18 am

Bullseye is good, I have plenty.  Lots of Blazer Brass too. Bullets?  Is see rule 4.3.1 forbids cast bullets.  Lots of the loads stickied above use case bullets.  I like cast bullets, how can I use them and not be DQ'd.

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Post by james r chapman on 10/23/2019, 10:39 am

NRA matches allow lead
EIC Do not
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Post by radjag on 10/23/2019, 11:22 am

The CMP rule 4.3.1 is only for CMP Service Pistol events - try Nosler or Zero 185 JHP bullets for that - or just buy match 185 factory ammo. 

For regular NRA Precision Pistol (Bullseye) 2700 events cast bullets are permitted. There are lots of 45 recipes on this forum for 200 / 185 / 160 grain bullets. Many choices of bullet suppliers - often recommended are Brazos, Zero, Magnus and others.

Watch out when you reload Blazer 45 brass - some of their brass uses Small Pistol Primers - whereas most other 45 Brass uses Large Pistol Primers - don't mix them up - potentially big mess!

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Post by inthebeech on 10/23/2019, 12:25 pm

The best way in lieu of a machine rest, as long as you are confident that your shots are breaking as a surprise and that you're seeing the sights right through follow through, is to use the data that you're already collecting.

What is your wobble area?
If it is the seven ring then it seems with a score of 75, that your scores are landing in that same wobble area and you probably have a very accurate gun.
If your suspicion is correct that you have an inaccurate gun then the score would not match your wobble area; i.e. your wobble area would maybe be the nine ring while your shots extend out to the seven.  In this case then yes your gun sucks.

With confidence in your shot process you already have the tools to see (roughly of course) how precise of a gun you have, without the benefit of a machine rest.
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Post by Allgoodhits on 10/23/2019, 12:33 pm

Scota4570 wrote:I bought one brand new last year.  45 Auto .  The only change was a short reach trigger.  I am shooting mid 90s at 25 yards, timed and rapid.   50 yards is a disaster with scores around 75.  I have been shooting blazer brass 230 gr TMJ. 

I missed a leg by a few points with my Woodsman 22 recently,   I shoot a match air pistol most days.  My skills seem better than my 50 yard scores reflect.  

I called Springfield today and they said the accuracy expectation for that pistol is 3 1/2" at 25 yards.  That shatters my confidence in pistol.  It possibly explains my poor 50 yard scores.  

Can anyone comment on the accuracy they obtained with that pistol and what ammo they used?

I with I had access to a ransom rest! : )

Thanks,
Scot

Don't let what someone has said, or what you read impact what you are already doing. You stated that you are shooting mid 90's on short line. If you are shooting mid 90's on short line and your gun will only shoot 3.5" at 25 yds, then you are holding as good as a Ranson Rest. I would doubt that you are as steady and consistent as an RR, so your gun likely shoots much better than 3.5" at 25 yds.

The long line (50yds) is simply tough. Of course gun/ammo accuracy enhancements are always welcomed. My point, is if you believe what you just stated, you likely will no longer be shooting mid 90's on the short line, as you have just sabotaged your opinion of your equipment, and will accept any poorly executed shot as equipment failure. Last, your ammo may be holding you back, more that the gun.
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Post by straybrit on 10/23/2019, 12:34 pm

Magnus 185g JHP on top of 4.4g WST, Starline new brass, in my RO (with Kart barrel) groups <2.5" @ 50 yds from a sandbag. Last EIC match I shot with it I got a 94 SF.

Zero factory ammo is about the same.

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Post by rich.tullo on 11/11/2019, 11:12 pm

Scota4570 wrote:
KBarth wrote:Fit a new barrel bushing and .200 slide stop pin. I did that to a range officer and it ransom rested about 2 in at 50 yards. Stock barrel
Thanks.
Any specific bushings or particular 0.200" slide stop pins?  Possibly links?  
Scot

EGW or Kart for the bushing. 

EGW for the slide stop. 

Get the bushing fit by a bullseye gun smith.
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Post by rich.tullo on 11/11/2019, 11:15 pm

Scota4570 wrote:Bullseye is good, I have plenty.  Lots of Blazer Brass too. Bullets?  Is see rule 4.3.1 forbids cast bullets.  Lots of the loads stickied above use case bullets.  I like cast bullets, how can I use them and not be DQ'd.
Nosler or Zero JHPs is what we use for service pistol. Blazer brass is good , maybe excellent, but SP will make you enemies at matches.
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