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Post by gregg28 12/14/2019, 8:13 am

I am considering buying a relatively inexpensive air pistol for practice. I shoot a 22 conversion, so I want a 1911 based air gun. The Sigs look very interesting, but they have a 5.5 lb trigger. I am pretty handy and would at least try to lighten the trigger if possible. Are there any better options around?
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Post by james r chapman 12/14/2019, 8:24 am

Use the AP for trigger control and maintaining follow through the shot.
I use a very inexpensive Alpha Proj .177
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Post by BE Mike 12/14/2019, 8:38 am

Most of the 1911 style air pistols aren't up to the accuracy you want as a bullseye pistol shooter. Without going to a real match air pistol, the Beeman P1 might be up to the job with the right pellets. https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2014/09/testing-the-beeman-p1-for-accuracy/

You might also consider something like the LaserLyte Trainer Universal instead of an air pistol: https://www.amazon.com/LaserLyte-Trainer-Universal-Target-Activated/dp/B07C54QK5Z/ref=sr_1_32?dchild=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIm4yVl6615gIVysDACh19CgMMEAAYASAAEgK-wvD_BwE&hvadid=153634043178&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9016466&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t1&hvqmt=b&hvrand=12821524802896486965&hvtargid=kwd-35920835115&hydadcr=9409_9465484&keywords=laserlyte+target+trainer&qid=1576334129&sr=8-32
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Post by Tim:H11 12/14/2019, 8:43 am

I've been doing little air pistol shooting lately for some training. It helps a lot with sight alignment and trigger control for slow fire. Get good with air pistol and you'll see some improvement with slow fire scores.
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Post by jejajones 12/14/2019, 8:49 am

Had the grip on my Alecto air pistol cloned to put on my Hi Standard Victor. I practice with the Alecto all the time. My slow fire scores have gone up 5 to 10 pts. An inexpensive practice at home

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Post by gregg28 12/14/2019, 8:51 am

I'm not too interested in accuracy per say, more trigger feel and gun feel (grip angle, weight). The Sig Super-Precision Target also looks nice, but it is single shot. What is the trigger like on the Beeman?

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Post by BE Mike 12/14/2019, 9:15 am

gregg28 wrote:I'm not too interested in accuracy per say, more trigger feel and gun feel (grip angle, weight). The Sig Super-Precision Target also looks nice, but it is single shot. What is the trigger like on the Beeman?
The trigger is adjustable for weight and overtravel on the Beeman P1. This isn't intended to be snarky, but if you aren't concerned about the accuracy, why not just dry fire your match pistol?
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Post by gregg28 12/14/2019, 9:31 am

BE Mike wrote:
gregg28 wrote:I'm not too interested in accuracy per say, more trigger feel and gun feel (grip angle, weight). The Sig Super-Precision Target also looks nice, but it is single shot. What is the trigger like on the Beeman?
The trigger is adjustable for weight and overtravel on the Beeman P1. This isn't intended to be snarky, but if you aren't concerned about the accuracy, why not just dry fire your match pistol?
Not taken as snarky. I guess because I kinda really would like a plinker air pistol. Being a bullseye shooter, trigger is everything. I just want a plinker air pistol with a really good trigger that I can also practice with.

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Post by LenV 12/14/2019, 9:37 am

Gamo, Because I don't like steel sights.

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Post by james r chapman 12/14/2019, 9:42 am

LenV wrote:Gamo, Because I don't like steel sights.

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I can 3D print some awful plastic sights for you Len!
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Post by radjag 12/14/2019, 9:49 am

Gregg,
I recently posted this.
https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t13673-winter-at-home-training
Not exactly what you want, but food for thought.

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Post by gregg28 12/14/2019, 9:55 am

That looks like precisely what I am looking for. Is the Air Venturi V10 Match Air Pistol the newer version?

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Post by gregg28 12/14/2019, 9:56 am

radjag wrote:Gregg,
I recently posted this.
https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t13673-winter-at-home-training
Not exactly what you want, but food for thought.
Actually, that is helpful. Thank you.

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Post by LenV 12/14/2019, 9:59 am

Yes the Air Venturi is the new Gamo.
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Post by pgg 12/15/2019, 8:56 am

I've been happy with my FAS 6004. About $400. Nice trigger.

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Post by bruce martindale 12/15/2019, 10:38 am

Look at Umarex, they have a 1911 copy among others. Mine is branded Colt

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Post by Lammy1000 12/18/2019, 4:14 pm

My $250 Artemis PP700 has proven very accurate and trigger is now light/crisp after polish and adjustment.  A Precharged pnuematic .  Mine is in .22 and wears a dot.  Very capable and seems to have a more natural feel than my Baikal 46, Daisy 747 or Cros 1701p.  I previously mounted a scope on it for pellet testing and averaged <0.4” @ 25yds for 5 shots.  JSB 15.9gr @ 570fps.  Incredibly good trainer that feels substantial in the hand.  POI of impact is nearly the same with this tune at 10m and 25yds.

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Post by samuelabbe 12/22/2019, 9:16 am

Pyramyd Air has the Air Venturi V10 on sale for $199, with the code MORE15 it's $192.98 shipped.  I'd originally planned to order through CMP but this is cheaper.

Just getting into Bullseye myself so I can't speak to it's suitability.  More of a rifle shooter hoping my tennis elbow behaves just enough to get double distinguished.

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Post by robert84010 12/22/2019, 10:13 am

samuelabbe wrote:Pyramyd Air has the Air Venturi V10 on sale for $199, with the code MORE15 it's $192.98 shipped.  I'd originally planned to order through CMP but this is cheaper.

Just getting into Bullseye myself so I can't speak to it's suitability.  More of a rifle shooter hoping my tennis elbow behaves just enough to get double distinguished.
Sam,
I would seek out some physical therapist approved exercises to include in your training. I have been battling tendinitis for the last year or so. If you have had it in the past doing more pistol shooting will probably aggravate it without some preventative effort.

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Post by pgg 12/22/2019, 11:33 am

robert84010 wrote:
samuelabbe wrote:Pyramyd Air has the Air Venturi V10 on sale for $199, with the code MORE15 it's $192.98 shipped.  I'd originally planned to order through CMP but this is cheaper.

Just getting into Bullseye myself so I can't speak to it's suitability.  More of a rifle shooter hoping my tennis elbow behaves just enough to get double distinguished.
Sam,
I would seek out some physical therapist approved exercises to include in your training. I have been battling tendinitis for the last year or so. If you have had it in the past doing more pistol shooting will probably aggravate it without some preventative effort.

I second this. I had pretty awful lateral epicondylitis (tennis/shooter's elbow) in my shooting arm that started about 18 months ago. I couldn't make a fist with my arm outstretched without pain and my grip strength was weakened. I took 3 months off in the summer of 2018. Didn't get better. Did some self-guided therapy mostly centered around strengthening and stretching. Didn't get better. Got a couple months of physical/occupational therapy for it in the winter of 2018/2019. Gradually got better. Almost normal now.

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Post by samuelabbe 12/22/2019, 12:04 pm

Thanks but I've already been there done that; it's been ongoing since 2010.  Better than it was but my right side is weaker than my non-dominant left.  Military has me drive an hour each way (on my days off) for them to blow hot walnut dust on it for ~15 minutes.  Wasn't worth it.  Military doc says they should get ergonomic desks but that's not happening where I work.

I can shoot ~40 good centerfire shots per day.  That's just enough to make it through an EIC match.

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Post by IT1 Wes 2/3/2020, 11:55 pm

gregg28 wrote:I'm not too interested in accuracy per say, more trigger feel and gun feel (grip angle, weight). The Sig Super-Precision Target also looks nice, but it is single shot. What is the trigger like on the Beeman?
Here is a link for searching for 1911 C02 pistols.
https://www.pyramydair.com/search-results-ext?Ntt=1911&sid=1375A617A415&N=0&Ntk=primary&q=1911&cx=002970863286801882398:jlcminxfwdw&cof=FORID:11;NB:1&saSearch
 
Here is the link to the one I chose after several failed attempts and refunds.
 
https://www.pyramydair.com/search-results-ext?Ntt=1911+spartan&sid=1375A617A415&N=0&Ntk=primary&q=1911+spartan&cx=002970863286801882398:jlcminxfwdw&cof=FORID:11;NB:1&saSearch
 
Sig Sauer 1911 Spartan Full Metal Blowback CO2 BB Pistol
It is a full size 1911 steel frame C02 pistol. It has a rail under the frame. This means you can attach a UM3 Industries sight mount and put your red dot on it to train with.
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Post by troystaten 2/7/2020, 12:18 am

A second on the FAS6004, reasonably accurate, decent trigger and sights, the velocity is a little low but there are some tuneup tricks online to improve the performance.  The next step up are the pre-charged pneumatics and they are pretty expensive.

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Post by kayakr 4/22/2022, 11:42 am

I have a match pistols and a FAS 6004 but didn't want to mess it up mounting a rail. I got the gamo compact / Air venturi v10. I have other red dot air pistols but not with the euro angle grips I use for target shooting. Not a bad little pistol but definitely not as good build or trigger wise as the FAS. 

I mounted a $10 Ruger 10/22 rail with hardware store machine screws and nuts.  If you take out the barrel, in addition to the two screws there is a grub screw under the muzzle. To put it back in, take out the breech seal (it will come out if you fire without the barrel on) and slide it back with the gun snapped together and then set the muzzle screw.

I also put molly on the sear and opened up the hole in the back of the grip. as per the pyramid air blog on the gamo compact.  With this lube I can set the trigger to 1lb or 2lbs (two turns out).

The trigger still had some creep and overtravel, so I put in two 3mm x 10mm (about, I bought a metric grub screw kit online) to make an overtravel adjustment and to make a sear engagement control. For the sear I could use an existing hole after popping out a little plug.  For the overtravel I removed the trigger and then drilled a hole through the trigger guard hole. To set the sear you turn it in until the gun fires and then set it back 1/2 out ish turn.  To set the overtravel you turn it until the gun won't fire and then turn it back. out 1/4 turn. Got about a 90 on my 3rd target getting used to the trigger.

Caveat emptor. 

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