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Post by fc60 on Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:31 am

Greetings,

Heard back from Hornady...

Hornady Support commented at: 01-20-2020 08:51
David, We just did not have enough interest in the loading of the 32 Auto, which is what this bullet was intended for. We are still building the bullet for production ammunition. However they are not going to be shipping the bullet as a component any longer. Sorry
fc60 commented at: 01-17-2020 06:33

I do not see the Hornady 60 grain XTP (0.311) bullet listed on the website. Has it been discontinued?
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Post by lablover on Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:34 am

Well I hope they don’t decide that for the 85s

EDIT:

I spoke to Hornady as well this morning and the guy assured me they have no plans on doing away with the 85 gr XTP.
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Post by James Hensler on Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:49 pm

I just love change!!! Having something dialed in is way overrated!
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Post by zanemoseley on Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:31 pm

James, guess you didn't buy enough to keep their sales up lol. This is a good reason to stock up of you find a unique bullet you like.

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Post by James Hensler on Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:43 pm

I have enough for this year! I just checked 13k but damnit!!
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Post by JIMPGOV on Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:12 pm

I'LL TRY TO STOP BY THIS WEEK AND ASK THEM AT THE SHOTSHOW. JP

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Post by troystaten on Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:09 am

For what it's worth they have the 60 grain .32 caliber XTP's on Midway's website.  They say they are .312 diameter though.

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Post by LenV on Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:22 am

Grab quick. NFI

https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/6294

These are #32010 just like Midways but listed as .311. And cost less..
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Post by fc60 on Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:50 pm

Greetings,

When first introduced, the Hornady 60 XTP did measure 0.312", I have some in storage. Rather useless, as they cannot be replaced. No sense developing a load for them.

The latest offerings have been 0.311".

Hornady never upgraded the labels on the boxes.

Cheers,

Dave
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Post by lablover on Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:15 pm

I have a local guy as of today says he can get 18k of the 60’s at .15 each. 

Wish I had the budget!

Then again like Dave said..why put together a load on a discontinued bullet..you’ll run out eventually
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Post by James Hensler on Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:48 pm

There are still plenty in stock nationwide at almost every provider! Should not have any problem running out the next 2 years for my personal stock
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Post by JIMPGOV on Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:28 pm

A FRIEND AT THE SHOTSHOW ( I COULDN'T GET OUT OF THE BOOTH.)STOPPED INTO HORNADY TWICE TODAY AND ASKED 2 DIFFERENT REPS. IF THEY BULLETS WERE OUT OF PRODUCTION. NO ONE WOULD GIVE AN ANSWER YES OR NO. " I DON'T KNOW.", "FIRST I HEARD OF IT." SORRY I WAS NO HELP. JP

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Post by radjag on Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:47 pm

OK, so I've not yet worked up a "perfect" long line recipe for my Pardini HP32ACP. I was intending to use Hornady 60JHP and do have some in stock, but probably not even enough to last me through this year if I am able to shoot as much as I hope.

So, should I switch to Hornady 85JHP and work up the "perfect" load with them? I can use up or even sell on my stock of 60JHP.

Up to now I've mostly used factory 32ACP ammo with JHP bullets for the Long Line and have found all of them to be very "snappy". I was in any case hoping to find a recipe that would be as accurate as possible at 50 yds whilst much smoother and less recoil. Maybe a heavier bullet would be helpful.

Could this be a modest opportunity for Zero to start producing .312 JHP bullets??

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Post by CraigB5940 on Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:37 am

I jumped right into loading with this is the info Alex C at Pardini USA gave me in August of 2018 when I got my 32 ACL conversion kit, it has worked well for me-no need to experiment and my lee carbide three die set with a redding 32 ACP taper crimp die used for the crimp, I use the lee combination seating and crimping die to seat the bullet but apply no crimp:


Hornady/Frontier brass

Winchester small pistol primer

Hornady 60gr XTP bullet

1.8gr VHIT N-310

C.O.L.: .894”

Crimp .330” – important

Note: I'm using Starline brass and CCI SP primers instead of the info above.

Search this forum for 85 gr XTP loads, Dr. Don has a test of loads with group photos he did it a few weeks ago.

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Post by Dr.Don on Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:57 am

It should be noted that it is currently difficult (impossible?) to find published, pressure tested 32acp load data with either the 85gr XTP or the 100gr XTP.  My newest Hornady manual does not list them for 32acp.  So in the paraphrase of fc60, we are all working without a net here.  Be careful in your load development.  The fact that a load worked for me in my gun or in someone else's does not mean it is a blanket safe load in every circumstance.
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Post by lablover on Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:03 pm

Dr.Don wrote:It should be noted that it is currently difficult (impossible?) to find published, pressure tested 32acp load data with either the 85gr XTP or the 100gr XTP.  My newest Hornady manual does not list them for 32acp.  So in the paraphrase of fc60, we are all working without a net here.  Be careful in your load development.  The fact that a load worked for me in my gun or in someone else's does not mean it is a blanket safe load in every circumstance.
How did you come up with your starting load?
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Post by Dr.Don on Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:32 pm

It's been a while ago, but I believe I saw the specific load I group tested posted somewhere, most likely on here, by someone who had tried it.  That doesn't mean it was pressure tested data.  The thing is, if someone wanted to try and develop a load using Bullseye, or Titegroup, or one of the Accurate powders, or whatever, there just isn't much published data to use as a safe starting point.
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Post by fc60 on Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:54 pm

Greetings,

Open this link and scroll to page 20...

https://www.accuratepowder.com/load-data/

HOWEVER, note the overall length is 0.940". IF YOU SEAT DEEPER, the PRESSURE and VELOCITY will INCREASE.

Back off on the maximum charge and increase to the maximum velocity printed in the guide.

Remember, pressure and velocity work hand in hand.

My tests favored the Accurate #2 powder.

Factory Pardini barrel with NO CHOKE fired at 50 yards via mechanical holding device.

I developed these loads with a CHRONOGRAPH. The velocities are less than Accurate's data and I attribute that to the Pardini barrel being 0.314"

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Cheers,

David


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Post by Jack H on Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:11 pm

I said goodbye to the  Hornady 45 200gr JSWC a long time ago.  Great bullet.
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Post by lablover on Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:37 pm

Outstanding info Dave

Thank you!
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