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Post by kayakr on 2/7/2020, 11:27 am

What is the rule for processing a final shot that goes off while the finish buzzer is sounding with the bullseye app?  Is that scored as a late shot or is it late after the buzzer completes? I've looked around but don't see something specific beyond the rules saying "must stop immediately"

https://compete.nra.org/documents/pdf/compete/RuleBooks/Pistol/pistol-book.pdf

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Post by LenV on 2/7/2020, 11:39 am

It's like golf. If your doing this in training and the shot goes off late and your sure you got it off in time then count it. If you know in your heart it was late late then don't. Your keeping your own score. Be honest with yourself. Like golf... Then throw away your best shot out of the 10. That's the hard part.

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Post by cdrt on 2/7/2020, 11:42 am

Unless it's for a CMP match.  They count late shots, unlike the NRA.  Just one more conflicting rule between them. Crying or Very sad
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Post by Mike38 on 2/7/2020, 12:51 pm

Good question. On turning targets, as long as the shot hits paper, even skids, it counts doesn't it? So on turning targets, late doesn't start when the target starts to turn. Late is when the target stops it's turn. So would it be the same for a buzzer, late is when the buzzer stops?
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Post by willnewton on 2/7/2020, 12:57 pm

We are very informal about it because we don’t shoot sanctioned matches or have target turners.

If we hear a bang during the finish buzzer, we count it.

If you hear silence then BANG, well...we give you a really hard time about it and spend the rest of the match making jokes about you.

Lord help you if you let one go before the first buzzer. Weeks of jokes about “premature load” at your expense will follow.  That is what friends are for!

 lol!
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Post by dronning on 2/7/2020, 1:34 pm

A few years ago a couple of shots went off on the Load Command and 1 more before the target turned all during the same RF match.  To follow that up the one alibi that was called had a UD.

Which brings up a question if you have an unintentional discharge while you are trying to clear your gun from an alibi (after it was approved) what happens? 

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FYI he followed safety rules and it was a "safe" UD.
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Post by David R on 2/7/2020, 1:56 pm

We had a time when the targets did not turn.  I count in my head and fire.  I hit the edge of the target stand perfect.  I took a 9 shot score.

Another time this happened and the RO allowed one person to add the round because of faulty equipment.  

I do not shoot NRA matches, there are none in my area.  I do shoot 2 matches a week.  Shots during the buzzer are fine both start and finish.  Anything else gets your balls busted.     

I have a heck of a time working with a Buzzer.  The match we shoot outdoors on Monday night the RO Calls the match and  Yells FIRE!  It gets me every time. I FIRE! instead of just squeeze one off. Then I pull one  and my timing is messed up.  Been working on that all winter.  

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Post by Al on 2/7/2020, 2:23 pm

Seeing as the targets have to face for the entire 10 or 20 seconds sustained fire period, if your shot goes off during the buzzer, the targets would not yet have begun to edge. Most of the ranges I've shot at, you would probably have an additional 1/4-1/2 second at each end of the time period (depending on turning speed), that a shot could make the scoring rings.

I know my trigger press gets more aggressive as soon as I count to 3 and see the targets begin to turn.

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Post by -TT- on 2/8/2020, 9:24 am

In theory you need to stop when the signal is given, not after (it's a command not a suggestion). This means the start of the buzzer is "go" at the beginning and "stop" at the completion.

However, human reaction time is somewhere north of 100 milliseconds. So there's some room for interpretation. Bottom line, obey the command as immediately as humanly possible.

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Post by bruce martindale on 2/8/2020, 10:00 am

There's Close, and then there's Late, you know when.

Premature ejection.....you know who, and when, so no issue. -1 shot

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