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Post by minelabbob on Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:00 pm

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how do you like, and how good do they shoot .

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Post by james r chapman on Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:10 am

Custom built guns are not for everyone.
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Post by minelabbob on Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:48 am

yes when you add up all the upgrades  ,it can make sense to buy the
complete gun. most of us unless you have a real good job wont be
able to shell out $3,000  so $ 1200.00 can get you to the starting line.
pros and cons what ever works to get the job done. $3,000 in most
guns is your base starting point. if only I had a money tree!

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Post by dapduh2 on Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:10 am

Gary Collette wrote:No doubt the AX pistols are of high quality, however if their 
upper alone is $1200.
rack grade donor pistol= 750+-
trigger job= $150-200 + - ( don't know what they would ask )
dot sight = $275-750 + - ( UD or Aimpoint )


Sounds like just purchasing a complete built gun from a them or good smith is a deal.
Complete build gun doesn’t include the optic so adding that price isn’t a fair comparison. Also, if you search for a bit you can find a steal for a Springfield complete frame on Gunbroker. Found one 2 years ago and use it for my conversion. Then go to Perry with a bottle of bourbon and I bet a military armorer gives you a good trigger job!
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Post by minelabbob on Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:14 am

ill drink to that! sounds like a plan.

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Post by MarkOue on Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:46 pm

With all the different custom precision 1911's available, 10% of the those who made the Presidents Hundred shot Accuracy X.

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Post by zanemoseley on Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:19 pm

MarkOue wrote:With all the different custom precision 1911's available, 10% of the those who made the Presidents Hundred shot Accuracy X.

The real question is did those 10% pay for them... I heard back when Zinns was sponsored by Cabot they had to install 4-5 barrels before it was shooting to his standards.

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Post by TonyH on Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:47 pm

MarkOue wrote:With all the different custom precision 1911's available, 10% of the those who made the Presidents Hundred shot Accuracy X.
What were the other 90% shooting? I would say capable guns...but it’s mainly their skill that put them in that position more than the gun.
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Post by james r chapman on Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:03 pm

Oh , gee, Clark’s, Beretta’s,XDM’s, maybe 1 Kimber
More than a few reworked Springfields 1911’s
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Post by minelabbob on Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:37 am

yes! I would say there are many bullseye pistols out there from many
different COs that in a skilled marksman hands will shoot out the X ring.
I like accuracy x videos steve is not one to hold back. we need other
COs to follow his example and show what there guns are capable of.

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Post by Gary Collette on Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:31 am

Like I said AX pistols are of high quality no doubt.
As such they demand a premium price.
I myself shoot a Pardini in rimfire and again premium pistol for a premium price.
Being from MA my options are very limited as to what 45 cal pistol I can purchase.
I am starting out with a Bob Javery SA that is tight with a Clark cone barrel.
The trigger was OK when I got it and I have worked on it to make it better.
I have only shot it at 50 yards a few times last fall with the suggested load of 
4.1 BE and 185 JHP Zero bullets and was able to call shots pretty close.
As to group size, I'm sure it is better than I am at this point in my centerfire.
I would ask the members if they had a friend looking to get started in BE in MA, and a new pistol was 
what that friend wanted, what would be the way to go?
A new SA sent to what smith for a full WAD gun build complete with slide mounted rail should cost what?
I like to have equipment that does not limit my results and if the shot is a nine instead of a X I want to know
it was me.

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Post by minelabbob on Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:53 am

a lot of factors go into cutting out the x-ring at any range. I try to have
fun with it, and not get to crazy with cutting the x-ring. but when I do
I know I had a good day. and when I throw an 7 8 or 9 it was me and
that's ok to.

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Post by Gary Collette on Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:27 am

Bob,
I have my share of good matches ( 868 at CT state shoot two weeks ago ) and my share of Clunkers too!!
I am working my way back from a 22 year break and am three years into my recovery!
i'm not sure how close I will get to my previous average but greatly am enjoying the whole Bullseye 
thing. The shooting, reloading and friends made and time spent together.
Also enjoying this forum and the hard earned knowledge available to this old new shooter!

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Post by james r chapman on Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:13 am

Another thing.
When you decide to shoot matches you will usually have your slide, or frame, drilled and tapped for a dot.

When you decide to shoot EIC matches, you’ll either remove those appendages or purchase a second gun to have accurized.

Figure the cost in that when looking at AXI’s multi slide product.
Either a second slide fitted to your existing gun, or,
The ability to remove an iron sight module and replace it with a dot module and return without losing zero.

Something that often gets lost in appraising options.
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Post by Wobbley on Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:32 am

If I was buying a pistol to start out in Bullseye, I’d get a SA Range Officer Elite Target.  I’d ask SA if they would run it through the custom shop and have the barrel fitted and a 4 pound trigger job done.  Explain it is for bullseye competition.  Might not be up to a full up custom, but such a setup would get you to expert or even Master.  
Gary Collette wrote:Like I said AX pistols are of high quality no doubt.
As such they demand a premium price.
I myself shoot a Pardini in rimfire and again premium pistol for a premium price.
Being from MA my options are very limited as to what 45 cal pistol I can purchase.
I am starting out with a Bob Javery SA that is tight with a Clark cone barrel.
The trigger was OK when I got it and I have worked on it to make it better.
I have only shot it at 50 yards a few times last fall with the suggested load of 
4.1 BE and 185 JHP Zero bullets and was able to call shots pretty close.
As to group size, I'm sure it is better than I am at this point in my centerfire.
I would ask the members if they had a friend looking to get started in BE in MA, and a new pistol was 
what that friend wanted, what would be the way to go?
A new SA sent to what smith for a full WAD gun build complete with slide mounted rail should cost what?
I like to have equipment that does not limit my results and if the shot is a nine instead of a X I want to know
it was me.

Thanks, G
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Post by SonOfAGun on Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:32 am

Wobbley wrote:If I was buying a pistol to start out in Bullseye, I’d get a SA Range Officer Elite Target.  I’d ask SA if they would run it through the custom shop and have the barrel fitted and a 4 pound trigger job done.  Explain it is for bullseye competition.  Might not be up to a full up custom, but such a setup would get you to expert or even Master.  

What details of the SA Range Officer Elite Target (PI9128E) give it the edge over the "vanilla" RO (PI9128L)?

I notice the RO Elite Target has the fiber optic front sight.
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Post by minelabbob on Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:38 am

I have a baer bullseye gun that works for me. some day maybe accuracy x
all I have to do is HOLD THEM TIGHT!

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Post by Wobbley on Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:06 pm

SonOfAGun wrote:
Wobbley wrote:If I was buying a pistol to start out in Bullseye, I’d get a SA Range Officer Elite Target.  

What details of the SA Range Officer Elite Target (PI9128E) give it the edge over the "vanilla" RO (PI9128L)?
Better finish? But 
I notice the RO Elite Target has the fiber optic front sight.
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Post by James Hensler on Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:37 pm

I was next to the AX team at the Nationals. Good guys and damn good shots! With that said doesn’t AX advertise 3 inch groups at 50? Personally I would be pissed if my 1911 Hodgepodge shot anywhere near 3 inches!


Ok I looked at their web sight and it says 1 inch at 25. I saw a flier at Perry and it said 3 inch at 50. I remember because I said something to my wife
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Post by James Hensler on Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:45 pm

Wobbley wrote:
SonOfAGun wrote:
Wobbley wrote:If I was buying a pistol to start out in Bullseye, I’d get a SA Range Officer Elite Target.  

What details of the SA Range Officer Elite Target (PI9128E) give it the edge over the "vanilla" RO (PI9128L)?
Better finish? But 
I notice the RO Elite Target has the fiber optic front sight.
I called Springfield and talked to a tech. He stated that ONLY the Elite was hand fitted!!!! 
I told him that the website said the Both the R/O and Elite was hand fitted. He put me on hold and came back 5 minutes later and said the website is wrong!
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Post by OldShooter43 on Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:06 pm

I've been following this discussion for awhile and it seems like it's about what you can afford vs what you need (?) or want.  Full disclosure - I am not competing in bullseye shooting since I have a physical problem that precludes it.  However, I do the best that I can in informal shooting and, thankfully, I can afford high end guns.

I own a 9mm AXI that Steve built for me with a full range of multi-sight options.  My test target (which I can't post) shows a 1/2" x 3/4" group at 25 yds and I can assure you that it will group under 2" at 50 yds.  Way beyond my capabilities.  I also donated one of Steve's Pro Plus .45 pistols as an award to the highest scoring, non-distinguished, military shooter in the 2018 Presidents 100 at Camp Perry.  The junior shooter from the AMU won it and made distinguished by doing so.  I was really hoping for a Navy or Marine shooter to win it.  Didn't happen.

Point is, as others have said here, guns don't win matches, people do.  I own pistols made by Les Baer, Ed Brown, Wilson Combat, and Brandan Bunker (test target measures 1/2" x 3/8" at 25 yds).  None of them will make me competitive at this point - I'm 77.  Get what you can afford and practice the fundamentals - over, over, and over.

As Steve says... hold em tight!

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Post by minelabbob on Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:08 pm

old shooter! what 9mm ammo did you settle on with your 9mm AX gun.
a lot of people say them 115 xtp but my guns just don't like. I feed my
les/9mm 124 FP w-231 1.100 and sometimes 125 hap with TG 3.6 1.065
both loads hold 2in. @ 50yd. rested with the hap a little tighter.

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Post by OldShooter43 on Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:00 pm

Hi, minelabbob;

As I said, I'm not competing so I don't need 50yd x-ring accuracy - at this point I'd be happy to keep 'em all on paper at that range - LOL.  However, when I load up serious target loads I've had good results with 5.5 gr of CFE Pistol under the 124 gr. HAP bullets.  I seldom shoot over 25 yds though.  It's too bad your pistol doesn't like the 115 gr. XTPs because that's what the AMU was using a while back.Their load (borrowed from jayhawknavy's older post) was 115 gr. XTPs over 5.0 gr. of VV 330, OAL of 1.142 with Federal SP primers.  Steve Huff uses Atlanta Arms 115 gr. minor PF ammo for his testing.  My pistol is a prime example of how well those rounds work.  Check out the specs on that ammo on the Atlanta Arms website and see how closely you can match them.

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Post by OldShooter43 on Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:04 pm

Correction to my last.  I checked my load book and I'm actually using 5.3 gr. of CFE Pistol rather than 5.5 gr.

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Post by minelabbob on Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:27 pm

thanks jim!

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Post by Wobbley on Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:58 am

I load CFE Pistol for my combat training ammo. 5.4 Gr with a cheap 115 grain bullet.  Dirty but shoots well in my CZ75.
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