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Post by SteveT on 3/18/2020, 1:08 pm

If you are looking for a good lab scale I saw this offer on usrifleteam.com

With "CAMBRIDGE" discount code it is $500 ($465 + $35 S&H) which is $200+ cheaper than I've seen it elsewhere. It is used by a lot of rifle shooters, is compatible with AutoTrickler System and A&D is pretty widely respected as a less expensive lab balance maker.

https://ceproducts.shop/collections/reloading-systems/products/fx-120i-reloading-scale-122g-x-0-001g
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Post by Jwhelan939 on 3/18/2020, 5:13 pm

Unfamiliar with the company. Are they reputable? Price almost seems too good to be true?!?

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Post by Walter D on 3/18/2020, 5:53 pm

I owned this scale w the powder drop, Worked perfect.    Five stars
I bought mine out of Canada, Note. Powder and static electricity  don't mix.  This price is the best you will get.
I believe the AMU uses this.  
Area 419 has many Aluminum components, I used most, Essential for safe and Accurate Charges.
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Post by bmize1 on 3/18/2020, 7:33 pm

These are the next best thing in scales for reloading to the Prometheus.

Mine are 10 years old and still work fine

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Post by PhotoEscape on 3/19/2020, 9:28 am

Thank you Steve!

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Post by JayhawkNavy02 on 3/19/2020, 9:38 am

Absolutely! Thanks Steve...now my bank account is going to take a hit assuming I get back.

This forum is the best!


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Post by Jwhelan939 on 3/19/2020, 12:30 pm

As far as reputable, I meant CE Products. Anyone ever deal with them?

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Post by SteveT on 3/19/2020, 1:42 pm

I never heard of CE Products before this. I got UPS tracking number the next day after placing order, scheduled delivery is Monday.
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Post by Jwhelan939 on 3/21/2020, 1:38 pm

Mine is on its way anxious to play around with it. Guess my Gempro will be hitting the market place.

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Post by zanemoseley on 3/21/2020, 2:59 pm

If you shoot any type of precision rifle there is a guy that makes a very nice auto powder drop system that works with this scale. It's $490 itself but results in a very nice system.

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Post by Ray Dash on 3/21/2020, 3:19 pm

Jwhelan939 wrote:Mine is on its way anxious to play around with it. Guess my Gempro will be hitting the market place.
Which Gempro are you using? I have had great luck with my 250 for a bunch of years now and wonder what they are even worth anymore?
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Post by Jwhelan939 on 3/21/2020, 3:55 pm

Ray Dash wrote:
Jwhelan939 wrote:Mine is on its way anxious to play around with it. Guess my Gempro will be hitting the market place.
Which Gempro are you using? I have had great luck with my 250 for a bunch of years now and wonder what they are even worth anymore?

It's the 250. Have had it about a year. Works great. Wanted the A&D so I could eventually get the auto trickle. I normally see them in the 125-150 range. My understanding is they no longer make them, so I haven't seen them as frequently recently.

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Post by radjag on 3/21/2020, 4:51 pm

Precision laboratory grade scales is not something I'd considered previously.

I have a Lyman beam scale which I routinely use to set and confirm powder drops from my (mostly Dillon) measures. I only load pistol calibers for Bullseye match and practise ammo.

I see on the internet that there is a huge difference in price from the common 0.01g accuracy electronic scales (~$50) and the "laboratory" grade 0.001g accuracy scales such as this (at ~$190):-
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fine-Scale-Digital-Scale-0oz-My-Weigh-Gempro-300-Laboratory-2-1oz-0oz-Scale/113783289830?epid=2255997905&hash=item1a7e0337e6:g:WMoAAOSwiylW~s~K

And then another big jump up to the FX-120i listed by the OP.

My question is, if I only intend to use the scale to initially set and regularly confirm the drop from my (relatively inaccurate) powder measures, which accuracy level scale is most appropriate?

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Post by Jwhelan939 on 3/21/2020, 5:10 pm

I found the gempro to be perfect for what your talking about. My old ohaus beam is great too. I've had other digital that were quite frustrating even for setup purposes. The gempro 250 is a very reliable and perfectly adequate scale. I would never concider the fx for my pistol loads, but I've always wanted it with the auto trickle for my rifle loads.

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Post by SteveT on 3/22/2020, 9:43 am

radjag wrote:Precision laboratory grade scales is not something I'd considered previously.

I have a Lyman beam scale which I routinely use to set and confirm powder drops from my (mostly Dillon) measures. I only load pistol calibers for Bullseye match and practise ammo.

I see on the internet that there is a huge difference in price from the common 0.01g accuracy electronic scales (~$50) and the "laboratory" grade 0.001g accuracy scales such as this (at ~$190):-
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fine-Scale-Digital-Scale-0oz-My-Weigh-Gempro-300-Laboratory-2-1oz-0oz-Scale/113783289830?epid=2255997905&hash=item1a7e0337e6:g:WMoAAOSwiylW~s~K

And then another big jump up to the FX-120i listed by the OP.

My question is, if I only intend to use the scale to initially set and regularly confirm the drop from my (relatively inaccurate) powder measures, which accuracy level scale is most appropriate?

Cheap scales you see on ebay, Amazon etc. may or may not be good. If there is no option to get calibration certification there is a good chance when they say "Accuracy" they really mean "Resolution" and often just the resolution of the display. You might get lucky but the couple I've tried over the years have been noisy; the display would not settle down, if constantly jumped around and would often drift over time (seconds to minutes).

If you don't change your powder charge weight, and all you want to do is occasionally check your powder throws a beam scale is cheap and repeatable. Here is a hint. When I was using a beam scale I made my own test weight. I found a good setting on my powder throw for accurate ammo and weighed it on the beam scale. Then I took a piece of solid 16AWG wire, stripped off the plastic and cut it smaller and smaller until it weighed the same as my accurate load, about 5/8". I kept the wire in a small plastic bag and handled it only with tweezers (to avoid adding weight from dirt and finger oil). When I started a loading session, I weighed the test weight first, and then weighed a few powder charges to make sure they were the same.

The truth is that pistol loads are not that sensitive. Most standard bullseye loads will maintain reasonable accuracy +/- 0.1 or even +/-0.2 grains so any of the scales sold for reloading are suitable. If you are a bit anal, like some of us, a better scale can improve confidence... at least that's what I tell myself.

I've been using a Gem Pro 250 for a few months now and it is fine. I would have continued using it, but this deal was too good to pass up. Unfortunately the Gem Pro series is discontinued. If you can find one for $200-300 it is a fine scale and significantly better than most reloading scales for not much more money. The Gem Pro is less noisy and requires less re-calibration during a setting than the older Hornady PACT digital scale I was using. Even if I leave the Hornady PACT on all the time it will still drift 0.1 or 0.2 every 10-20 minutes and need recalibration - Note that I think there is an EMC problem in the corner of my basement where I reload. Electronics seem to misbehave in that area more than the rest of the house.

I think the A&D is a significant step up in quality and accuracy from the Gem Pro which is a significant step up from typical reloading scales. When the cost difference was $500+ it wasn't worth it to me. At this price, it is but I would not say that it is necessary to load X-Ring ammo.

Corrected for my faulty memory the reloading scale I used was an old PACT, not Hornady.


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Post by SteveT on 3/23/2020, 4:00 pm

Got my scale today. Looks good, but a little too big to fit on the shelf in the same place as my old scale so I need to re-arrange things a bit.
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Post by Ray Dash on 3/23/2020, 4:42 pm

I figured I may be bored and doing a lot of reloading so I decided to order one too.
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Post by Jwhelan939 on 3/23/2020, 7:27 pm

SteveT wrote:Got my scale today. Looks good, but a little too big to fit on the shelf in the same place as my old scale so I need to re-arrange things a bit.
Mine came today as well. Definitely larger than the gempro. Wish the chord was a bit longer as well. I purchased mine so I could add the AutoTrickler later, but if it weren't for that, I would have to say the gempro seems every bit as good as the 120? Your thoughts?

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Post by Jwhelan939 on 3/24/2020, 9:43 am

*Update*

I take it back. This thing is a whole different beast. Weighs about as good as the gempro, but with significantly less drift. Where I'm really digging this is the statistical data it gives. You can enter modes where it keeps h, l, r, m, and SD. Really neat. Again, not really necessary for out bullseye loads. But fun to play with for the rifle.

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