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Post by smsnyder on Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:58 pm

Sig P210 Target , CZ 75 Tactical Sport  or STI Staccato -R.  All 9mm 5 inch steel pistols. I am not shooting competition . I just like high quality pistols with great triggers and adjustable sights.  Pros and Cons? Give me some reasons for your pick. A gunsmith views would help. Thanks a bunch.

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Post by CR10X on Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:18 pm

Why those? Springfield Armoury Custom Shop 9mm 1911 "Hardball" is probably in the same price range and 1911 frame. Supported barrel, 1/ 16 twist, so lots of options on bullet weights. Picked up one at Perry this year.
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Post by PhotoEscape on Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:27 pm

smsnyder wrote:Sig P210 Target , CZ 75 Tactical Sport  or STI Staccato -R.  All 9mm 5 inch steel pistols. I am not shooting competition . I just like high quality pistols with great triggers and adjustable sights.  Pros and Cons? Give me some reasons for your pick. A gunsmith views would help. Thanks a bunch.
None of these are 1911, even Staccato rather called 2011 as it is double-stuck.

I'm not familiar with latter, but I have older versions of 9mm STI guns, Eagle (2011) and Trojan (1911), - both are very good, two others are excellent guns as well.  So, get them all and have fun!

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Post by jglenn21 on Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:00 pm

Dang CZ 75s are Nice
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Post by smsnyder on Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:17 pm

Your right there not 1911 design type pistols but they are single action pistols. The triggers are very nice in these pistols.  The CZ has the best 9mm trigger at 1 1/2 pounds. The CZ and the Sig have internal guide rails. Super smooth action.

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Post by LenV on Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:27 pm

Browning Hi-power should be on everyone's short list.

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https://www.gunbroker.com/item/865707081
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Post by bdrake on Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:33 pm

I agree with Len, if its not a 1911, the only other chose is a Hi-Power

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Post by radjag on Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:39 pm

smsnyder,

You have made the important point that you are just looking for a nice 9mm, not a bullseye competition gun. That makes a big difference.

Check this out
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/864890370

I had an STI Rangemaster in 38 Super (and then also one in 45ACP), but I discovered that the Bull Barrel was not legal for competition, so I sold them on. It was a really nice gun, by far the best "factory" 1911 I had at the time. Heavier than a normal 1911 cause of the heavy barrel and the long shroud. These were well built by STI in USA. Having the extra weight is particularly good for 9mm (and 38 Super) cause they tend to have more "snappy" recoil than a 45ACP.

I have no financial or other interest.

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Post by radjag on Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:34 pm

Happens that I "followed the trend" and picked up a SIG P210 Target USA made 9mm over the winter, it was an "as new in box" offer at a decent price. It is a well made, nice looking gun, a cut above the typical USA made SIG (I've owned and sold on many). It shoots very well and surely has the best "out of the box" trigger of any 9mm I've tried (many!!). But, if you want to use it for CMP EIC Service Pistol competition (I know that you don't) it needs a little work to increase the trigger pull weight. The target grips are very pretty and similar in style to the target grips on the high end SIG 1911's. Len V and others with larger mitts love those grips. I'm of more modest and delicate form (Laughing Laughing Laughing) and so those grips don't suit me, but there are several after-market options out there.

But, the bigger issue is that it is relatively light, so the typically snappy 9mm ammo makes it jump quite a bit. Of course one could buy or reload custom ammo to tame the "jump", but I don't think that is what you are aiming at. Therefore, on the basis of the relatively light weight, I would not recommend the SIG P210. It is a great gun though, and very svelte too (unlike Len V  Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy).

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Post by dronning on Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:03 am

Not a 1911 but the S&W 952-2 long slide is both a beautiful gun and accurate too.  It's one that brings tears to my eyes because I was offered a pristine one at an exceptional price and passed.  It was before I knew better - stay informed and never hesitate.
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The one I passed on was every bit as nice as this one:
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Post by smsnyder on Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:34 am

Wow Nice Smith 952-2

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Post by radjag on Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:21 am

There is currently one on GB, but don't be mislead by the current price. Recent ones have gone for around $3k.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/865598365

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Post by dronning on Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:50 am

radjag wrote:There is currently one on GB, but don't be mislead by the current price. Recent ones have gone for around $3k.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/865598365
+1 it is a beauty but I'm not looking for stainless and I have 1st dibs on one when the owner is ready to sell.
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Post by inthebeech on Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:06 am

Between the above and some dude's previous post asking about something called an "EDC" this site is turning in to another web-based gun rag, little different that the rest.  I do not wish to wade through these types of posts looking for REAL content.

Get it under control please.
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Post by zanemoseley on Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:18 am

inthebeech wrote:Between the above and some dude's previous post asking about something called an "EDC" this site is turning in to another web-based gun rag, little different that the rest.  I do not wish to wade through these types of posts looking for REAL content.

Get it under control please.
Maybe you should start your own forum.... I consider the discussion of high end CZ75's, P210's, S&W 952's, Browning HP and other high quality 9mm's completely at home here. If you don't like the thread feel free to ignore it.

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Post by Jon Eulette on Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:48 am

OK I can finally jump in:P)

I don't like the HP. Trigger can never come close to a great 1911 trigger and the lack of a bushing makes the barrel (at the muzzle) a wedge fit when rotated into battery. I do like the grip. S&W grips have always felt like they wish they were a grip for a pistol. But oh my a 1911 9mm longslide is glorious if your gonna shoot a 9. That extra slide weight takes the snap right out of those 1050 fps loads.

As for me and my family we shoot 1911's!

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Post by zanemoseley on Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:54 am

Jon, is your 9mm longslide iron sight or red dot? I've got a P210A Standard with a reflex sight and a CZ75 Accushadow with irons. They're mainly fun guns, for me they're too light and snappy to shoot my best score. If I really wanted to shoot a 9mm competitively I'd have you build one.

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Post by mspingeld on Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:57 am

So Jon, what you're trying to say is, "I don't often shoot 9mm but, when I do, it's 1911"?

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Post by PhotoEscape on Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:03 am

Jon Eulette wrote:
As for me and my family we shoot 1911's!

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Mike,

You need to read between lines!  Smile that is 9mm 1911s.

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Post by Jon Eulette on Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:14 am

zanemoseley wrote:Jon, is your 9mm longslide iron sight or red dot? I've got a P210A Standard with a reflex sight and a CZ75 Accushadow with irons. They're mainly fun guns, for me they're too light and snappy to shoot my best score. If I really wanted to shoot a 9mm competitively I'd have you build one.
I own a 5" but build many PPC 9's for the police shooters. They run predominately longslides to get the longest sight radius. When I test fire them I throw a grip mounted optic on the pistols and also shoot the irons. They use reloads at around 1050 fps and some guys just run department issued ammunition. So I end up shooting 115 up to 147. The longslides are more forgiving/friendly to shoot. A couple years ago the LAPD won the 4 man team match at Nat'ls beating the Border Patrol. 3 of the 4 shooters were shooting pistols I built. Glorious day! Some of the shooters have the high end S&W longslides and prefer the 1911's.
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Post by PhotoEscape on Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:33 am

Let me add something to the fire!  I previously mentioned two STI guns - Eagle and Trojan.  Both are 6" versions.  In some of my previous posts I mentioned couple of SIG P210-5 Long Slide and 952-2 Long Slide I have chance to shoot.  Here is one more, mostly overlooked 9mm gun, that worth mentioning, - H&K P9s Sport Group III.  All these are serious target guns, and with exception of Eagle, all are single stack, and provide very good balance and mitigation of round snappiness.  

However now I want Jon's 9mm Long Slide too, and hope I live long enough to see it happen Smile .  

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Post by smsnyder on Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:41 am

Thanks

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Post by 1joel1 on Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:47 am

I went with the Walther Q5 SF Pro. It was either that or the Pardini GT9. Of the ones you listed, I don't think you can go wrong with any, but they are 3 very different pistols. Get all 3, I suppose and sell the ones you like least. 

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Post by Jon Eulette on Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:02 am

PhotoEscape wrote:
However now I want Jon's 9mm Long Slide too, and hope I live long enough to see it happen Smile .  

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Post by dronning on Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:08 am

1joel1 wrote:I suppose and sell the ones you like least. 

Sell???  I don't understand.                                                                                                 lol!
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