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Post by Wobbley on 5/25/2020, 12:22 am

I’m looking for another Red Dot. This one will be on a 45 wad gun.

Which to choose?

Aimpoint H2?
Aimpoint 9000SC?
———————- Both of these are top quality but they’re pricey.

SIG Sauer Romeo 5?
——————————— Great value seems robust. I already have 3 of these.

Burris FastFire3?
———————- a great reflex I have 3 of these too! But I’m looking to add weight to the slide to keep the snap down.

Ultradot Matchdot 2?
—————————- good value but negative magnification....?

Holosun?

Something else?


Let me know your thoughts...
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Post by Outthere on 5/25/2020, 7:43 am

Aimpoint. Buy once, cry once.
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Post by PhotoEscape on 5/25/2020, 8:43 am

If weight is out of consideration, Aimpoint 9000SC would be my recommendation.  
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Post by LenV on 5/25/2020, 8:51 am



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Post by Oleg G on 5/25/2020, 10:31 am

Another vote for Sig Sauer Romeo 4. Same size and weight as Romeo 5 but much clearer optic. I have Romeo 4M (milspec) on my .45 for over a year now with no ill effects or loss of zero.
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Post by JKR on 5/25/2020, 11:10 am

Another vote for the Sightron S30. Seems to be greatly overlooked by BE shooters for some reason. Maybe because they list it as having a 5 minute dot. Actually it’s more like 2 MOA. I have one that’s been on a much used 45 for three years now. Price is comparable to UD.
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Post by markbinwi on 5/25/2020, 11:30 am

Do all new Ultradots have negative magnification . I have an old 1" that I like and want another but want 0 magnification.

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Post by LenV on 5/25/2020, 2:14 pm

markbinwi wrote:Do all new Ultradots have negative magnification . I have an old 1" that I like and want another but want 0 magnification.
You just need to find an older model. None of the "Oakshore" models have negative magnification. Not all of the newer ones have it either but it is kind of a crap shoot which one you get. I have both kinds and the little reduction does not bother me. Probably because I wear glasses.

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Post by JKR on 5/25/2020, 4:25 pm

So what’s the big deal about negative magnification? What you’re trying to hit(10 ring) is much smaller than what you see anyway. I have several UD’s all of which have a bit of negative magnification. The above mentioned Sightron has none. The difference is minimal. I shoot the same with either.
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Post by Wobbley on 5/25/2020, 4:42 pm

I think it bothers people who shoot with both eyes open that dont have a overly dominant eye.
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Post by markbinwi on 5/25/2020, 5:41 pm

"I think it bothers people who shoot with both eyes open that dont have a overly dominant eye."

That must be me, I see the target in the optic and with my other eye, when they are different I have problems. I've had a older bushnell trs25 that worked well, bought a new one and it had some magnification and I sent it down the road. I've shot 30+ years indoors and giving outdoors a go this year.


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Post by mikemyers on 5/25/2020, 8:42 pm

If you get the Aimpoint H-1 or H-2, consider getting the Kodiak base along with the sight.
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Post by LenV on 5/25/2020, 8:57 pm

mikemyers wrote:If you get the Aimpoint H-1 or H-2, consider getting the Kodiak base along with the sight.
IMHO there is no reason to get the Kodiak base. Aimpoint designed the original base to take anything the dot will. I have never heard of the original failing. But, that is my opinion.

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Post by radjag on 5/25/2020, 10:36 pm

+1 Len V.

BUT. Some H1's come with no base. In which case a Kodiak is a very good choice.

IMHO (but I sold mine on anyhow!!!)

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Post by radjag on 5/25/2020, 10:49 pm

+1 Wobbley re' negative magnification. 

I am very right eye dominant - made even more polarised after LASIK "mono-vision" treatment 20 years ago. So I shoot pistols with a blinder on my "weak" left eye and wear corrective shooting glasses for shotgun with both eyes open.

I tried a +0.25 lens in my pistol (Champion) frames for a while - that corrected the negative effect of the UD. But then I tried a "0" lens and found that the clarity (for me) was overall better and my performance has improved subsequently (not necessarily because of the change in glasses).

Everything is, literally, "in the eye of the beholder", so the only way to really know how your eyes work is to experiment. Hence, the keen observers out there, might have noticed that I have bought and sold probably 20 red dots on Commercial Row in the past year or so!

My absolute best ever buy was a carefully used comprehensive set of Champion frame, lens, blinders and iris. I now use "0" lens for red dots and the "+0.25" lens (which are very difficult to find) for iron sights. This seems to be very close to perfect for my peculiar eyes. 

But I love 1" 4moa Ultra Dots - at present!

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Post by LenV on 5/26/2020, 9:48 am

Wobbley, I know you have figured out there are still some great choices out there. I have been playing lately with the Nikon micro. Great optics but I have not put enough rounds thru the pistol to see how well they hold up. A little heavier with massive bolt in mount. For you to have a look see.

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Post by mhayford45 on 5/28/2020, 8:10 am

I would go for a Aimpoint after David Sams put his frame mount on your gun. Taking the weight of the dot/mount off the slide was in my opinion the best money I ever spent on my .45

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Post by r.tornello on 5/28/2020, 11:26 am

Trijicom RMR type 2 designed for hard recoil on the slide itself, easy to use, just have to purchase a cover for it. I have 2 of them.
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Post by BHeintz on 6/1/2020, 11:30 am

LenV wrote:
markbinwi wrote:Do all new Ultradots have negative magnification . I have an old 1" that I like and want another but want 0 magnification.
You just need to find an older model. None of the "Oakshore" models have negative magnification. Not all of the newer ones have it either but it is kind of a crap shoot which one you get. I have both kinds and the little reduction does not bother me. Probably because I wear glasses.

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I have had three Oakshore ultradots, and they all had negative magnification. A guy I shoot with has one with good lenses, so I started looking for them on ebay. I gave up after the third one.

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Post by LenV on 6/1/2020, 1:14 pm

I have never seen one (Oakshore) with negative magnification. Sounds like there are some. How about another choice. Aimpoint 3000 are neat old scopes. Battery life is a little short compared to newer models but the newer tube scopes from Aimpoint are heavier and not 1".

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1993-Aimpoint-3000-optic-red-dot-scope-with-accessories-Delta-Force/224029715417?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
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Post by 10sandxs on 6/2/2020, 12:36 am

Leupold freedom might be an option if weight isn't an issue... clear glass, no negative mag, held up on my 45 longer than all other other dots besides the aim point micro. Only advantages it has over the 9000 is 1/4moa clicks which are very positive and reproducible, and about $100 lower price price tag... several downsides though... 34mm rings are a challenge...

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