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Post by Steve K on 7/24/2020, 6:31 pm

Speaking with a shooter last night he mentioned accurizing 22 ammo with a kit. He had never used one but proclaimed a friend had with great results. Does anyone know what he is referring to? His description was of a lead bullet that had been flattened and dimpled much like Eley Edge ammo.

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Post by TonyH on 7/24/2020, 7:48 pm

Probably talking about the Neal Waltz (or similar) die....this may help point you in that direction:
https://www.portercalls.com/neal_waltz_die.htm

Personally, I would suggest not going down that rabbit hole, there is much more to be gained by building strong fundamentals. Most SV 22 ammo will shoot better than most of us can hold....once you get to Master, start looking at stuff like that if you feel the need. My 2 cents....
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Post by SteveT on 7/24/2020, 8:58 pm

Most target 22 pistols with decent ammo will shoot 1" groups at fifty. If you value your time that cheaply of if you enjoy fiddling with ammo, go ahead. I'll spend my time shooting.
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Post by chiz1180 on 7/24/2020, 9:43 pm

I would argue that high end Lapua/Sk or eley is cheaper than reworking other ammo and will give you a better result. Function and feel are higher priority to me personally than any minor increase in accuracy.

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Post by Sa-tevp on 7/24/2020, 9:50 pm

Do the 3P rifle shooters accurize ammo? I'm thinking if they don't do it why bother?
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Post by zanemoseley on 7/24/2020, 10:13 pm

If you can't shoot master scores with CCI SV it ain't the ammo. I'm still working on master with 3 guns but nearly shot HM average last weekend (2611) with a 208S and RWS Target Pistol, probably would have shot the same with CCI. If you're shooting RFBR then you might play with forming 22lr rounds but for pistol it's a waste of time, any decent pistol will group 2" or under at 50yd with CCI.

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Post by Colt711 on 7/24/2020, 10:16 pm

I have "fiddled" around w/ .22 ammo, measuring dia, and rim thickness etc w/o visible results in my Cz 455 HB. For rifle buy a better grade of ammo and for pistol spend your time on the range. As said above most decent Std vel will shoot X's which are satisfactory for the best of us.

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Post by Richard Ashmore on 7/25/2020, 7:29 am

I once had the opportunity to travel to the Eley Customer Range to lot-test TENEX in three Hammerli pistols.  IIRC, seventeen lots of TENEX were available while I was there.  For each pistol I was able to find a lot that would shoot sub-one inch groups at 50 meters.  The biggest groups were ~1.5 inches.  In no case did a lot that worked well in one pistol have any correlation to how it performed in another barrel.  The takeaway from this experience was that even in a product as consistent in TENEX, each barrel is unique, each lot of ammunition is unique, and the notion that you can do something to randomly chosen ammunition and make it "better" is wishful thinking.
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Post by Sa-tevp on 7/25/2020, 9:00 am

Some 22 pistol info with groups.

Shooting Sports USA article on David Sams relining a S&W Model 41. 

www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/nra/ssusa_201006/index.php?startid=22#/p/22

Shooting Sports USA New Eley Test Range part 1

https://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/nra/ssusa_201302/index.php?startid=18&device=nxthtml#/p/16

Shooting Sports USA New Eley Test Range part 2 - Testing a S&W M41

https://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/nra/ssusa_201303/index.php?startid=21#/p/22

I'll admit to sorting CCI SV by rim thickness, but the purpose was for reliability in matches rather than accuracy in a Ruger MkIII and a S&W M41. After a while Eley Club and SK Pistol Match came up on sale/good price/free shipping and I picked up some Euro 22s so the Neil Jones rim thickness gauge hasn't been out much.


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Post by Sa-tevp on 7/25/2020, 9:19 am

To add to my previous reply, six or seven years ago a friend and I tested 22 ammo and two S&W M41 barrels. My friend had a Ransom rest that we mounted on a heavy wooden rifle bench and started with his 1990s M41 with a long barrel. We then swapped in a late 1970s 5.5 barrel that I had just gotten back from being relined by Alex Hamilton. On hand we had CCI SV, Wolf Match Target, Eley Target, Eley Club and RWS Target Rifle . We shot 30 shot 50 yard groups with each ammo. 

The RWS Target Rifle was the worst, with 3 or 4 shots just outside a B-6 X-ring. CCI SV and Eley Target were all inside the X-ring. Eley Club was smaller, maybe 1.25 inches. The Wolf Match Target made the smallest group (about 1 inch) but would not reliably cycle the pistol. 

It was fun to see the worst we could expect from the ammo. We never did it again.

I buy by the case but lot variation will drive you nuts. My first case of SK Standard Plus was very soft and I had to sell it to a rifle shooter as it would not cycle the slide reliably in my pistols at the time.
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Post by Steve K on 7/25/2020, 9:53 am

Thanks for all the great comments. I'm always looking for the better mouse trap but I see it is a waste of time to go down that road. Over the years I've seen how finicky .22s can be and trying to customize the round may not be productive. I shoot S&W 41, Hamerlli 280, and a Marvel on a Kimber 1911 frame. They all shoot CCI SV well, but I think I'll stick to the 41 and CCI in the hopes of bettering my score.
Thanks again for the insight; it is very helpful.

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