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Post by jshank on Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:44 pm

Are any serious bullseye competitors using 1911 frames with 22 conversion kits, or must one use a dedicated precision pistol i.e. AW92, Pardini, Matchgun etc?

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Post by 10sandxs on Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:46 pm

Lots of us do... marvel and Nelson are what I've used...

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Post by jshank on Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:58 pm

I like the 1911 platform because it is so easy to cock the hammer in dry firing practice.
The next question is who makes the best 22 conversion kit.

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Post by james r chapman on Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:04 pm

Champion shooters have been known to shoot in no particular order;
MARVEL
NELSON
ADVANTAGE ARMS
COLT ACE
to name a few.
Make sure you get the target versions.
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Post by bpettet on Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:05 pm

Rimfire conversions for 1911's are hugely popular in competition.  The ability to use the same grips, trigger, sights, feel, etc across the course is very smart.  I have Pardini, Matchgun, Hammerli, etc but will be using Marvel conversions in the next few matches, including the TX state championship in Sept.  Conversions are very competitive at every level.

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Post by James Hensler on Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:27 pm

Sure a lot of shooters use them! They normally raise their arms after a string of Time Fire or Rapid Fire! Lmao! Kinda kidding but not really
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Post by james r chapman on Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:55 pm

Been shooting next to Mikey, huh!
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Post by Tim:H11 on Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:37 pm

I’ve broke 890 with my Nelson. Conversions will flat shoot. The question so many ask is are they accurate enough? The main concern with a 1911 conversion isn’t accuracy but instead making sure it’s reliable with the ammunition you plan to use. One of the big reasons people shoot a 208 or AW93 or Pardini etc, is reliability. Conversions have to be tested and tuned. That being said, do the leg work and you’ll have a fine shooting iron that will lend its self to learning the 45.
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Post by CR10X on Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:07 am

Yes, they are good enough. I've bested 890 as well and shot the Mayleigh twice with a conversion. 

It's generally a question of if the shooter is good enough and doesn't mess with the setup too much.

Mine (and I have several of various makes) are as reliable or more reliable than the higher end guns.  (And I never get lost in trying to set up the trigger  Laughing Shocked )

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Post by jshank on Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:03 pm

In looking at the Marvel Order Form for Unit 1 I see various upcharges for tighter groups $200 for .3-.399”; $150 for .4-.499”; $100 for .5-.599” and  $50 for .6-.699” any thought on group size and is it worth spending the extra to upgrade.  Also any thoughts on the threaded barrel option for extra barrel weight

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Post by sharkdoctor on Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:35 pm

I recall seeing a number of 22LR conversion uppers (won't mention brand) on a table at the National Matches, along with 10 shot groups of various sizes, and corresponding prices (smaller groups =  higher price).  Each group included the ammo used.  Without the testing procedure described, number of groups fired, etc., all ammo used, it is hard to tell if the accuracy difference is significant, and the additional cost, warranted.  On the other hand, even a 0.7" group is less than 1/2 an X-ring at 50yds. What's in your wallet?

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Post by Wobbley on Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:42 pm

Well, with the price of ammo being what it is, it might pay to get the .3 to .399 accuracy level.  It probably won’t make you shoot better but it’s the price of a case of ammo.  After shooting a case of ammo, you might improve to the point where it’s a dead even improvement in your score, but then maybe not.
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Post by bpettet on Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:32 pm

I like removing variables...most of them are on me but there's something satisfying about not having equipment questions in my head.  This is mostly mental.  Only you can answer your question but if it were me, I would take some mechanical question out of it.

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Post by jglenn21 on Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:15 pm

Barrel test are most likely done with one given brand of ammo.. and even more specific probably one lot...

If it shoots say .66 with that ammo, does that mean it will not shot better with brand B... just saying

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Post by james r chapman on Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:08 pm

All will shoot better off bags or RR than you ever will!
Bank on it
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Post by mikemyers on Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:34 pm

I have a recommendation for Nelson.   I bought their kit a year and a half ago or so, and spent many months trying everything Larry told me to do to cure a problem - for the first magazine the gun worked, but from then on, at least one or two rounds per magazine didn't fire.  Fount that pulling back the hammer again and firing alway worked.  Larry and his son decided there was something in my chamber that wasn't allowing the rounds to go in all the way.  This was after changing ammo, changing springs, and other things they suggested.  I gave up, sent it back, with the understanding they would either fix it for sure, or send me a replacement.  So, shortly before my last trip to India, a brand new Nelson kit showed up.

It hasn't been touched yet.  I would prefer to only have one issue at a time, one gun, to be concerned with.  In the next few weeks I hope to set it up again.


Back to where I started, Larry and his son (Kevin?) helped me all they could, and eventually replaced the kit with a new one.  When I first bought the kit, they told me they would do that.  They obviously stand behind their products, and I've got nothing but good words to say about them - and the kit was everything I hoped for, and more!  

I'm not a "professional", but everything I've heard and experienced makes me think the Nelson kit is an excellent way to go.  I have only two "negative" thoughts, the trigger pull stays as stiff as it was for shooting 45, and however much I like and enjoy my Nelson, I prefer my High Standard X-Series.  Personal preference.

It takes a while for the kit to be made and delivered, but it's worth the wait.
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Post by dapduh2 on Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:17 pm


the trigger pull stays as stiff as it was for shooting 45.
Quite easy to adjust the sear spring or buy a separate sear spring. Have one at a lighter weight for the .22. Can be switched out in seconds.
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Post by NuJudge on Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:41 pm

It is likely that you will shoot this conversion a lot.  There is a Marvel upgrade I would encourage you to pay for, and that is a steel slide, as opposed to an aluminum one.  If I am going to subject a part to cyclical stresses a lot, I much prefer it to be made out of steel.

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Post by mpolans on Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:36 am

dapduh2 wrote:

the trigger pull stays as stiff as it was for shooting 45.
Quite easy to adjust the sear spring or buy a separate sear spring. Have one at a lighter weight for the .22. Can be switched out in seconds.
Or, look at it as a way to have a consistent trigger pull across .22, CF, and .45.  If you want to win, you've gotta have good trigger control through all of them.

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Post by CR10X on Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:41 am

the trigger pull stays as stiff as it was for shooting 45, 

People that just want to shoot a .22 may see this as an issue.  Those that want to learn how to shoot a 2700 and pick up some distinguished points see it as a plus!

Besides, any trigger pull in the 3 plus pound range will generally result in a more reliable conversion unit.  

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Post by DA/SA on Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:54 am

mpolans wrote:Or, look at it as a way to have a consistent trigger pull across .22, CF, and .45.  If you want to win, you've gotta have good trigger control through all of them.
This was the reason for recommending a .22 conversion to Mike when he bought his wadgun, but it was apparently completely overlooked, as the conversion kit remains in the box unfired.
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Post by mikemyers on Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:17 am

DA/SA wrote:
mpolans wrote:Or, look at it as a way to have a consistent trigger pull across .22, CF, and .45.  If you want to win, you've gotta have good trigger control through all of them.
This was the reason for recommending a .22 conversion to Mike when he bought his wadgun, but it was apparently completely overlooked, as the conversion kit remains in the box unfired.
Dave, yes, my replacement Nelson kit remains in the box, un-fired.  My first kit arrived a year or so ago, and I could never get it to work correctly.  After the first magazine, rounds wouldn't seat in the chamber, and it took two tries to fire them, once to seat the round, and the second to fire it.  Kevin (Larry's son) said that the only thing left, after we tried all his other ideas, was that I had a rare problem where the chamber was too tight.  I sent the kit back, and when the Nelsons were unable to correct it, they sent me a replacement kit.

You're correct, I returned from India in late January, it's now August, and I haven't got around to setting up the Nelson again.  I was tempted to sell it, but haven't.  My enthusiasm for the Nelson kit is inversely proportional to my enthusiasm for shooting my new High Standard X-Series.  

Guilty as charged.    :-/

(....and I've also got my new classic Victor from Roddy Toyota, and my older High Standard, and my Model 41 which is now all set to go, with Clark barrel, and. finally as reliable as it was for the first 30 or so years when I was shooting it.  If I knew everything a couple of years ago that I know now, it's unlikely that I would have followed the advice and bought the Nelson at all...)
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Post by James Hensler on Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:50 am

Hearing all of this just reinforces my decision to buy my Pardini. I have to only learn 2 guns and triggers for everything. 22,CF,and 45
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Post by chiz1180 on Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:53 am

James Hensler wrote:Hearing all of this just reinforces my decision to buy my Pardini. I have to only learn 2 guns and triggers for everything. 22,CF,and 45

If you shoot a conversion the argument is the same and you don't need to change grip angle.

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Post by James Hensler on Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:14 am

chiz1180 wrote:
James Hensler wrote:Hearing all of this just reinforces my decision to buy my Pardini. I have to only learn 2 guns and triggers for everything. 22,CF,and 45

If you shoot a conversion the argument is the same and you don't need to change grip angle.
Kinda but I get to shoot a 32 for center fire with a 2.5lb trigger and 45’s need to have a 3.5. Horton’s grips for my Pardini and 45 are so close I can’t tell the difference


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