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Post by mustachio Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:04 pm

My new CZ 75 Shadow 2 SAO has a serial numbered frame, slide and barrel.
Does that mean that each is considered the "firearm?"
If I ship the slide for work (which I am not) do I have to declare it as a firearm?

See picture below, this is my gun.

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Post by mspingeld Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:05 pm

The frame is considered the firearm for shipping purposes.


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Post by -TT- Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:13 pm

My understanding, and I'd love it to be confirmed, is that the numbers on the slide and barrel are European requirements. In the US, only the number on the frame matters, and only the frame is regulated.

As supporting information, I can say that a CZ Kadett .22 adapter has numbers on both parts, and can be purchased in the US without an FFL, for installation on your otherwise-compliant CZ frame.

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Post by radjag Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:47 pm

Over the past few years I have bought (and sold on some) caliber conversion kits for various guns. I've also bought individual barrels and slides. In every case the slide/barrel/etc., kit has been shipped by the vendor directly to me with no requirement for it to go via an FFL (including one kit recently directly from Pardini USA - who are quite rightly very strict about following the rules). I therefore understand that it is permissible to ship such kits or individual barrel/slide components directly to others. 

If you return a complete handgun (that you already own) to a manufacturer or official agent for repair/warranty work they will ship it directly back to your residential address (signature required on receipt). AFAIK, that is the only exception to the general rule requiring all handguns to be shipped through an FFL.

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Post by mustachio Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:51 pm

that makes a lot of sense...thanks for your answers
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Post by Domino1 Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:37 am

mspingeld wrote:The frame is considered the firearm for shipping purposes.
Look at a Ruger pistol there is no number on the frame.  Is it on the action, but not on the barrel.

If you get a volquartsen barrel for a Ruger that is the serial numbered part and registered.

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Post by Ed Hall Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:03 pm

Domino1 wrote:
mspingeld wrote:The frame is considered the firearm for shipping purposes.
Look at a Ruger pistol there is no number on the frame.  Is it on the action, but not on the barrel.

If you get a volquartsen barrel for a Ruger that is the serial numbered part and registered.
That's not actually the barrel.  It's the receiver, which is the regulated part.  It just happens that on other firearms the receiver is part of the frame, whereas for the Ruger, the "handle" clips into the bottom of the receiver.

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Post by messenger Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:58 pm

radjag wrote:
If you return a complete handgun (that you already own) to a manufacturer or official agent for repair/warranty work they will ship it directly back to your residential address (signature required on receipt). AFAIK, that is the only exception to the general rule requiring all handguns to be shipped through an FFL.

I have always used an FFL to send and receive my pistols for modification and repair. I have paid through the nose to do this. So you are telling me that if the gun is registered to me I can send it directly to my gunsmith and he can return it to my residence? What does AFAIK stand for?

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Post by mustachio Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:03 pm

AFAIK= as far as I know
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Post by mpolans Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:23 pm

messenger wrote:
radjag wrote:
If you return a complete handgun (that you already own) to a manufacturer or official agent for repair/warranty work they will ship it directly back to your residential address (signature required on receipt). AFAIK, that is the only exception to the general rule requiring all handguns to be shipped through an FFL.

I have always used an FFL to send and receive my pistols for modification and repair. I have paid through the nose to do this. So you are telling me that if the gun is registered to me I can send it directly to my gunsmith and he can return it to my residence? What does AFAIK stand for?

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From BATFE's website. See question 7: https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/docs/0501-firearms-top-10-qaspdf/download

AFAIK = As Far As I Know.

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Post by messenger Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:53 pm

Thank you. I appreciate the information.

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Post by Oleg G Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:28 pm

Bill,

I may be completely wrong, but for me, sending a gun through an FFL (even for repair) is much cheaper than sending a gun myself. Two examples:
1. I had to send a pistol for repair to Pilkingtons. Only one option was available - UPS overnight. This cost me about $140 each way. We, as individuals, cannot send firearms through USPS.
2. I sold a pistol and sent it through my FFL. He charged me $30 for his service and I paid another $15 for Priority Mail. I did not have to pay any extra for additional insurance because my FFL's commercial insurance covers the full cost of the pistol, if it gest lost in the mail.

Comparing apples to apples, sending the gun myself and getting it back from the gunsmith cost me $280. Doing it through my FFL would cost me $90 both ways - a third of the money...

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Post by rich.tullo Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:30 pm

I think the exemption to the rule RUGER MK series, the receivers are numbers and the frame is not.
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Post by radjag Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:32 pm

I agree with Oleg G. Whenever I sell a gun I use a "friendly" FFL. Handguns can usually fit into a USPS Medium Flat Rate carton. Buy a click-n-ship label, usually less than $20 + insurance, addressed to the receiving FFL. My FFL pops a copy of his FFL Cert inside, seals the carton and the mailman takes it away from his store. Easy!

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Post by Tripscape Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:35 pm

Oleg, 

I am same in NJ, it is always cheaper to send FFL, as you noted we as individuals cannot send USPS while they can. We can ship UPS and Fedex overnite, however, USPS Priority is always much cheaper unless you have really large or very heavy item, then it's cheaper to ship UPS.

Ammo is always UPS or Fedex.

If I understand it correct the regulated part is essentially whatever immediately holds trigger release mechanism.  Hence on 1911 it is frame, on for example Sig 320 it's the trigger mechanism insert. 

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