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Post by beeser on 11/25/2020, 8:03 am

Can someone point me to a source for a .315 HBWC swaging die? I searched the RCE and Corbin websites but didn't see anything in their inventory.

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Post by James Hensler on 11/25/2020, 10:51 am

Corbin makes dies. Have Mr Corbin make you one.
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Post by fc60 on 11/25/2020, 11:04 am

Greetings,

A 0.315" swaging die is not an "off the shelf" item.

Dave Corbin can make one for you as mentioned above.

Last I heard, there is a one year backlog.

Cheers,

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Post by beeser on 11/25/2020, 11:34 am

James Hensler wrote:Corbin makes dies. Have Mr Corbin make you one.
The one year lag that Dave mentions is the reason for canvassing another source.  Maybe something larger that can be sized down?

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Post by James Hensler on 11/25/2020, 11:41 am

Ok being a Marine I am trying to adapt and overcome this problem 

How about getting a mold for say .316 and have Lee make you a sizing die to .315 it won’t be swagged but it will be sized and Noe will do a custom mold at .316 because I have asked in the past. 

If this doesn’t work how about going to a machine shop and have them machine on their Milling machine
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Post by Schaumannk on 11/25/2020, 12:37 pm

beeser wrote:Can someone point me to a source for a .315 HBWC swaging die? I searched the RCE and Corbin websites but didn't see anything in their inventory.
Can we ask what this is for?   Perhaps you might get some alternative suggestions if we knew what your intended use was.

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Post by beeser on 11/25/2020, 1:30 pm

James - I thought of casting a bit larger and size accordingly but would prefer a one step swaging operation.  Besides it's my understanding that a swaged bullet is better formed and may offer better results.  I have access to a Master Caster and can probably get the molds needed to cast close to what's needed.  It's already set up to cast the blanks for swaging.

Schaumannk - Simply put I want to swage a .315 HBWC for use in a Pardini HP chambered for 32 S&W Long.

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Post by Schaumannk on 11/25/2020, 1:46 pm

beeser wrote:James - I thought of casting a bit larger and size accordingly but would prefer a one step swaging operation.  Besides it's my understanding that a swaged bullet is better formed and may offer better results.  I have access to a Master Caster and can probably get the molds needed to cast close to what's needed.  It's already set up to cast the blanks for swaging.

Schaumannk - Simply put I want to swage a .315 HBWC for use in a Pardini HP chambered for 32 S&W Long.
I get this.   David Wilson is the authority on these bullets and these barrels.   He should be able to tell you what the best way to go is.  Just as a general rule, cutting down a cast bullet, as he told me makes them less and less accurate.  I think you wait a year for Corbin die if you want an accurate swaged bullet.  I’ve waited longer for a gun.  

The wait time has discouraged me from going the swaging direction at this time, but my 32ACP is not as picky as the S&W.

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Post by beeser on 11/25/2020, 1:57 pm

...Just as a general rule, cutting down a cast bullet, as he told me makes them less and less accurate....

I've been told this before by commercial loaders.  I wonder if it has something to do with the work hardening of lead?  If so, it seems to me that even lead could be annealed prior to final forming.

I'll try to contact David Wilson for his input.  Thanks for the suggestion.

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Post by James Hensler on 11/25/2020, 2:12 pm

If Mr Corbin can’t make one right away you my friend might be SOL
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Post by Wobbley on 11/25/2020, 2:21 pm

beeser wrote:...Just as a general rule, cutting down a cast bullet, as he told me makes them less and less accurate....

I've been told this before by commercial loaders.  I wonder if it has something to do with the work hardening of lead?  If so, it seems to me that even lead could be annealed prior to final forming.

I'll try to contact David Wilson for his input.  Thanks for the suggestion.
Lead will “anneal” itself sitting there upon the shelf.  It may take a while but that time is measured in weeks.
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Post by fc60 on 11/25/2020, 2:23 pm

Greetings,

Shame on me, I "assumed" that you already have a swaging press.

If yes, contact me off line and I will see if I can offer a suggestion.

Cheers,

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Post by WesG on 11/25/2020, 3:43 pm

Here's a .314: http://www.swagedies.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CBST&Product_Code=LSWC-1-H_314&Category_Code=Specials

Don't know what would happen if the die were honed out to .315. Might be a bit of flash formed on the ends. It's been 40 years since I swaged some half jacket 44's on loaned equipment. No clue what the fits were on the pieces.

Looking at these, a decent tool and die shop could whip these out. But it ain't gonna be $250. Even if I were going to do it for the fun of it, I'd probably be pushing $200 just in ordering material and sending it out for heat treating.

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Post by fc60 on 11/25/2020, 5:39 pm

Greetings,

Honing out the die from 0.314" to 0.315" will produce a poor bullet.

I size my punches for a wring fit.

A variation of 0.0005" will leave a ring of flash around the nose and base.

Also discovered via the "School of Hard Knocks" that a 0.3140" die will produce a 0.3143" bullet. Factor this in when honing/lapping out the die body.

Cheers,

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Post by Schaumannk on 11/25/2020, 5:48 pm

fc60 wrote:Greetings,

Honing out the die from 0.314" to 0.315" will produce a poor bullet.

I size my punches for a wring fit.

A variation of 0.0005" will leave a ring of flash around the nose and base.

Also discovered via the "School of Hard Knocks" that a 0.3140" die will produce a 0.3143" bullet. Factor this in when honing/lapping out the die body.

Cheers,

Dave
You don’t have to worry.   I saved him from his folly by buying the die.   :-)

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Post by WesG on 11/25/2020, 6:00 pm

Schaumannk wrote:
fc60 wrote:a 0.3140" die will produce a 0.3143" bullet.
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I saved him from his folly by buying the die.   :-)
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Thanks Dave. No doubt the die will expand a bit under pressure. If I ever get around to playing with swaging this might help me get it right on only the 3rd try.

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