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Is this the infamous and unobtainium H&N 32 cal HGWC bullet?

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Post by beeser 11/27/2020, 11:33 am

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https://www.hn-sport.de/en/reloading/wc-hb-313-100-gr-l

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Post by beeser 11/29/2020, 8:01 am

I literally stumbled upon this video of an H&N factory tour.  Early into it the manufacturer's rep mentioned that although they distribute their bullets to many countries the US is not one of them because of the export cost.  In other words (mine) it's not worth the effort or expense dealing with our export laws.  Besides, he states, their core business is with the airgun market.  And since their production is already running 24/7 I doubt much will change in their business model any time soon.



Side note to the video ... the airgun community recently began playing with using slugs or solid projectiles, which closely resemble the projectiles used in firearms.  It may not be long before the line between the airgun and firearm communities become blurred with respect to pellets, slugs and bullets.  It should be interesting to see what develops and what our government does to muddy up the waters.

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Post by Dr.Don 11/29/2020, 8:35 am

Airguns have become quite powerful.  They are now legal for hunting here in Texas.
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Post by beeser 11/29/2020, 9:38 am

Dr.Don wrote:Airguns have become quite powerful.  They are now legal for hunting here in Texas.

Yes they have.  I owned a RAW air rifle in 25 cal for a brief period a couple of years ago and the power was surprising.  It was fun shooting 100 yard targets on my property.  The only downside was refilling the air tank which was almost impossible to do locally without buying an expensive air compressor.

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Post by rkittine 11/29/2020, 11:00 am

Can't you get it filled at a Scuba Shop?
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Post by Asa Yam 11/29/2020, 2:28 pm

Dr.Don wrote:Airguns have become quite powerful.  They are now legal for hunting here in Texas.
Yawn. Airguns have a long history of being as powerful as, or exceeding the power of, firearms of the day.

  • Austrian Army, Napoléonic era.  Used a large caliber (.50 caliber plus) ball, and a pressurized "tank" for obtaining multiple shots, delivering energies similar to that of a standard firearm of the era.  Pressure source for filling air tanks was a large manual pump, fitted to a two wheel cart.  Seem to recall users found with a rifle were usually executed for "unsportsmanlike" behavior.  (Shooting at officers and artillery crews, without generating the report/signature of a firearm.);
  • Lewis and Clark expedition.  Brought along at least one large-bore airgun, with the intent of bringing down game, without using the party's limited supply of gunpowder.  Used largely to impress (scare?) native tribesmen with the "magic" of propelling a lead ball, without the noise and smoke of a firearm;
  • Used for testing airplanes.  It is amazing the sort of damage a 3 lb. chicken can do to an aircraft structure;
  • Used for simulating meteorite strikes on spacecraft, and research on other hypervelocity events.


Links:

  • Austrian Army and Lewis and Clark rifles:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girardoni_air_rifle;
  • "Chicken Gun":  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_gun;
  • Light gas gun:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-gas_gun

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Post by Guest 11/29/2020, 3:51 pm

Getting back on topic.

I noticed that the well known dealer Krale, in The Netherlands, offers these bullets for $53 per box of 500.

https://www.krale.shop/us/bullets-h-n-314-wc-hb-hs-100-grain/

I have sent them a message asking how much to ship to USA.

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Post by beeser 11/29/2020, 4:22 pm

rkittine wrote:Can't you get it filled at a Scuba Shop?
Yes and no ....  Some scuba shops at least all around here will only fill tanks at the standard scuba tank pressure of 3000 psi (?).  The higher pressure tanks used by air rifle enthusiast requires 4500 psi.  Apparently the higher pressure is hard on their compressors, which is the reason some won't do it.  I purchased a Bauer compressor that was up to the task but gave up on most of it.  The only stuff I have left from my airgun experience is a Steyr LP50 and a scuba tank to fill it.

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Post by beeser 11/29/2020, 4:25 pm

radjag wrote:Getting back on topic.

I noticed that the well known dealer Krale, in The Netherlands, offers these bullets for $53 per box of 500.

https://www.krale.shop/us/bullets-h-n-314-wc-hb-hs-100-grain/

I have sent them a message asking how much to ship to USA.

I thought of this too but if it's a US import dilemna, which I believe it is, Krale will most likely not want to bother.

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Post by robert84010 11/29/2020, 7:17 pm

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Has anybody contacted PardiniUSA about a fast twist barrel?

Maybe if everybody in this thread contacted Pardini USA and asked them to call Mr. Wilson to get the dimensions of a proper 32SWL barrel we could get some change. This has gone on for years because Pardini won't listen to their US customers. There is no ill effects from a fast twist .311" barrel at 25 yards or meters. Or they could build it just for the US market, which is what they did with the .32 ACP, when really they should have just built the right barrel.
4 cent Speer bullets shoot just fine. The 9 was all me, last shot of TF, and it felt like I shot my neighbors target it broke so bad.

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Post by Wobbley 11/29/2020, 8:42 pm

Or perhaps if enough people wanted them, an outfit like Polaris Logistics might be able to import enough H&N bullets to keep you shooting for some time.


http://www.polaris-logistics.com/
You can reach them via the head of their firearms department, Les Winner, at les.winner@polaris-logistics.com.


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Post by chiz1180 11/29/2020, 8:48 pm

The problem with importing such a niche item is cash up front, especially if special requirements are needed.
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Post by john bickar 11/29/2020, 11:49 pm

Asa Yam wrote:
It is amazing the sort of damage a 3 lb. chicken can do to an aircraft structure

A 3-lb chicken sounds like a henway.
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Post by beeser 11/30/2020, 8:02 am

john bickar wrote:
Asa Yam wrote:
It is amazing the sort of damage a 3 lb. chicken can do to an aircraft structure

A 3-lb chicken sounds like a henway.

No, they're 2 1/2 lbs.

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Post by Guest 11/30/2020, 11:05 am

Cost nothing to send an email to Krale in the Netherlands. They responded almost instantly:-

Dear sir/madam, 

Thank you for your email. Unfortunately, we cannot ship fire arm ammunition or part of it to the US. No postal service is willing to ship it. My apologies! 

Met vriendelijke groet, / Kind regards
Berrith
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berrith@krale.shop

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So, there does not appear to be a "simple" way to get them. 

AFAIK, it is not illegal or against the rules to mail a small quantity of bullets from a private individual in most EU Countries (maybe not Germany) to a private individual in the USA. That would not be "smuggling", AFAIK.

I don't have an interest in these particular bullets anyhow.

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Post by beeser 11/30/2020, 11:43 am

I doubt the quantity of bullets makes a difference in exporting but if these were 32 cal airgun pellets/slugs they would probably sail through customs and postal services without question.  You could even sell and buy them through eBay.  There are those upward of 300 grs.

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Post by sharkdoctor 11/30/2020, 12:10 pm

beeser wrote:
john bickar wrote:
Asa Yam wrote:
It is amazing the sort of damage a 3 lb. chicken can do to an aircraft structure

A 3-lb chicken sounds like a henway.

No, they're 2 1/2 lbs.
Will the weight difference make a difference in pullet impact and what crimp should I use?

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Post by WesG 11/30/2020, 3:45 pm

beeser wrote:
john bickar wrote:
Asa Yam wrote:
It is amazing the sort of damage a 3 lb. chicken can do to an aircraft structure

A 3-lb chicken sounds like a henway.

No, they're 2 1/2 lbs.

So roughly .01 Mother-in-laws.

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Post by fc60 12/1/2020, 1:00 pm

Greetings,

Back to the original topic.

I received an email from H&N regarding the purchase of bullets from them in Germany.

Focusing on the 32 100 grain match greased bullet only, I need to purchase 100,000 pieces.

The cost of the bullets, without shipping and import broker fees, is $5526.00 USD.

H&N offered to do all the paperwork (permits, etc.)

Now I have to investigate Import Brokers and their fees.

Cheers,

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Post by James Hensler 12/1/2020, 1:33 pm

Dave call Zero and say you have a bullet you want them to make and say you can order 100k at a time and I bet they will do it
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Post by beeser 12/1/2020, 2:08 pm

fc60 wrote:Greetings,

Back to the original topic.

I received an email from H&N regarding the purchase of bullets from them in Germany.

Focusing on the 32 100 grain match greased bullet only, I need to purchase 100,000 pieces.

The cost of the bullets, without shipping and import broker fees, is $5526.00 USD.

H&N offered to do all the paperwork (permits, etc.)

Now I have to investigate Import Brokers and their fees.

Cheers,

David
I applaud your initiative and hope it has a positive outcome.  Please keep us posted.

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Post by Wobbley 12/1/2020, 2:55 pm

Wasn’t there a guy on here last year reppin a bullet maker in Florida?
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Post by Wobbley 12/1/2020, 2:59 pm

James Hensler wrote:Dave call Zero and say you have a bullet you want them to make and say you can order 100k at a time and I bet they will do it
With typical bullet making machinery, 100,000 is about 4 days production.
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Post by beeser 12/1/2020, 3:47 pm

Wobbley wrote:
James Hensler wrote:Dave call Zero and say you have a bullet you want them to make and say you can order 100k at a time and I bet they will do it
With typical bullet making machinery, 100,000 is about 4 days production.
Based on the antiquated machines I've personally seen that's only a little over a day of production running 3 8 hour shifts.  The H&N machines shown in the video I posted earlier in this thread are probably much more capable.  Also in that video the H&N rep said they were manufacturing 24/7 with only a few days out of the year shut down.  The focus was on airgun pellets but bullet manufacturing should be about the same.

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Post by Wobbley 12/1/2020, 4:16 pm

I was calculating it at 60 per minute and one shift per day......
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Post by James Hensler 12/1/2020, 4:22 pm

Wobbley wrote:
James Hensler wrote:Dave call Zero and say you have a bullet you want them to make and say you can order 100k at a time and I bet they will do it
With typical bullet making machinery, 100,000 is about 4 days production.
Yes sir you are right but that’s also the amount that Hornady wants to make a bullet run
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