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Post by Sa-tevp 12/13/2020, 6:45 pm

Since I have a used S&W M64 with a very nicely worn in action, several books by revolver shooters and reloads in the 22 LR cost range, I look forward to trying my hand at Double Action shooting. Since several of the people on this board have shot PPC and other venues I would like to ask for ways to improve DA performance. I dry fire a lot and have good results with keeping empty 22-9mm-45 brass on the barrel while DA dry firing.

Can you share some other tips for getting good DA results while shooting?
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Post by CR10X 12/14/2020, 6:32 am

Grip, grip and even more grip with absolutely no hesitation in the trigger process and unflinching focus on the front sight.  The front sight will tell you what you're doing to the gun.  The more it moves in the notch, the more grip you need.  But you knew that.  

Like anything new, it takes training and multiple repetitions of the best you can do to ingrain the necessary skills.  

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Post by weber1b 12/14/2020, 8:07 am

While not specific to DA but it showed up more for me when shooting sustained fire, was how I gripped the gun. I tried to hold the revolver the similar to how I gripped my 45 and that did not work. Each gun needs to be gripped the way each gun is designed. Once I got my grip up higher where it belonged I could control the gun and my scores shot up.

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Post by Sa-tevp 12/15/2020, 4:38 pm

Oh we had fun today with live ammo. I used all the rings on a B-8C but it was a hoot. WST smoke tastes bad. 100 rounds goes pretty quick compared to single action shooting but I am happy to stay on the repair center.

I don't know how the past shooters shot well with factory grips like Magnas. I have a fat set of Pachmayr Presentation grips installed. I guess that will be another challenge for the future.
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Post by PhotoEscape 12/19/2020, 5:47 pm

I have a side question on DA, - is trigger modification specific to DA allowed?  Rules Book in Section 3 specifies weight for Single Action and specific to modification to it.  Nothing about DA.  Appreciate clarification on this.

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Post by CR10X 12/20/2020, 8:16 am

Rule for double action weight is probably not needed.  I'll bet if you get close to the single action trigger weight for a double action pull; you probably will not be firing any shots.  Even with Federal primers if you can find them....

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Post by james r chapman 12/20/2020, 9:36 am

CR10X wrote:Rule for double action weight is probably not needed.  I'll bet if you get close to the single action trigger weight for a double action pull; you probably will not be firing any shots.  Even with Federal primers if you can find them....

Yep, at least 5-6# for DA reliability
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Post by Sa-tevp 12/20/2020, 10:07 am

My S&W M14-3 and M64-3 both would fail to fire in DA if the SA trigger weight got too light.
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Post by PhotoEscape 12/20/2020, 5:26 pm

Thank you!  I'm new to revolvers, so many things are yet to be get acquainted with.  Does any kind of tape allowed over grips?  Or on the back and the front straps?  Like skate board tape? 

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Post by Richard Ashmore 12/22/2020, 4:29 pm

PhotoEscape wrote:Thank you!  I'm new to revolvers, so many things are yet to be get acquainted with.  Does any kind of tape allowed over grips?  Or on the back and the front straps?  Like skate board tape? 

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It depends on whether or not you are in a Distinguished Revolver match.  See Rule 3 at https://competitions.nra.org/media/8365/nra-precision-pistol-rules.pdf
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Post by bruce martindale 12/22/2020, 6:11 pm

Grip is important, K may add to this as he is phenomenal with Revolvers. 

I see, and use, three options:
1) SF..choke up as high as you can, up on the hump. You probably can't cock it there without using the other hand and may even get pinched by the hammer in doing so.

2) Sustained single action..put thumb on hammer , then add fingers to the grip. I personally put the barrel in line with my arm bones.

3) DA sustained..pick it up like a frying pan. Finger waaaay into trigger. Gives a lot of leverage. Some actins have a sensible pause just before firing in DA, others, you can let your fingertip touch your thumb as a trigger stop. On one gun,  I can pull fast and index the cylinder almost with a snap and then continue through the last stage for a controlled pull.

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Post by JNW1 12/23/2020, 8:04 am

When you guys say grip is important do you grip it really hard? I want to shoot revolver with 2 hands and be fast and accurate. Any good videos on this?
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Post by CR10X 12/23/2020, 8:14 am

Here you go.

And yes, he does grip it pretty good!

https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&p=jerry+miculek+youtube#id=1&vid=6270a9f027519af14c53a75dcb40b16b&action=click

Once you get that one, you will find many others for Jerry.

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Post by JNW1 12/23/2020, 8:22 am

Thanks!

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Post by bruce martindale 12/23/2020, 9:13 am

Really hard is relative, but yes, hard is good, but not to the point of a tremble and that's where your limit is different from others. You build up strength. That muzzle flip that you see in recoil is a sign, learn to reduce it. there is also flip at firing but, also bad, is different.

I am a single hand fan, for high precision in slow and sustained. that second hard doesn't always help and can add unwanted complications. If that's your thing, look for Grant Cunningham website and books.

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Post by CR10X 12/23/2020, 12:50 pm

From my personal experience (and talking some IPSC Grand Masters), for the two hand grip, the grip pressure feeling is about 75 of the grip from the off hand and 25% from the strong (trigger) hand.  Strong hand feels more pushing "out" and off  hand  somewhat "pulling in". 

This allows you to take full advantage of using two hands by reducing the grip force from the "trigger" hand which help free up the trigger finger and still maintain control of the gun.  And also why a lot of "two hand" shooters have a little trouble switching to "bullseye" / one hand style.  Those that are good at it recognize the different need between the two grips and adapt.  Others flounder and dread strong hand only / weak hand only stages. 

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Post by JNW1 12/23/2020, 3:37 pm

Thanks for the tips. I’d love to shoot one handed, but there are 2 problems. First is that there is one bullseye range in my state (Minnesota) and it’s outdoors with limited range time and few tournaments. Second is that my shoulders are not what they used to be and I couldn’t shoot 60 rounds with my just my right hand much less a match.
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Post by WillH 12/27/2020, 5:45 pm

For DR matches is a competitor allowed to shoot a 357 and use 357 brass?  I've often considered getting a DR gun but get confused on this point.  The way the rules are written it seems like it could, not that it would be any advantage to the shooter.

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