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Post by john bickar 1/20/2021, 8:25 pm

At the risk of asking a stupid question, do the H1/H2 all have that visual obstruction at 4:00 - 5:00 that makes the field of view not an unobstructed circle?

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Post by Jon Eulette 1/20/2021, 8:39 pm

yes
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Post by john bickar 1/20/2021, 8:41 pm

Jon Eulette wrote:yes

Well, that's f**king stupid.

Pardon my French.
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Post by Jon Eulette 1/20/2021, 8:45 pm

That’s one of the reasons I like the 9000
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Post by radjag 1/20/2021, 9:20 pm

John,

I also find that emitter housing kind of distracting. I now use one of Photoescape's 0.7" ID Aperture Rings screwed into the shade ring at the rear of my H1's. That effectively obscures the emitter housing and gives me a nice flat black annulus which helps me to keep everything (subconsciously) in alignment.

I did not like the PE red rings, so I got mine Cerakoted flat black by a local rifle specialist - that was cheaper than a small batch anodising job.

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Post by PhotoEscape 1/20/2021, 9:21 pm

john bickar wrote:Well, that's f**king stupid.

Pardon my French.

That is actually British, - they use double O, we here use just one letter.

So I thought you might want to ask Radjag how to deal with those Aimpoints.

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Post by PhotoEscape 1/20/2021, 9:24 pm

Ahh..... Uff...

I'm not fast enough.

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Post by radjag 1/20/2021, 9:39 pm

Actually - since I understand that Aimpoint's were designed (and possibly made) in Sweden - according to Google Translate, John, you should refer to them as:-

jävla dumt

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Post by john bickar 1/20/2021, 9:43 pm

radjag wrote:I now use one of Photoescape's 0.7" ID Aperture Rings screwed into the shade ring at the rear of my H1's. That effectively obscures the emitter housing and gives me a nice flat black annulus which helps me to keep everything (subconsciously) in alignment.

Yeah, but I owe Alex a written assessment of the rings he sent me, so I can't rightly ask him for another one Laughing

That was actually going to be my next step. Alex, I do owe you a written evaluation of the rings. I have been derelict in getting that to you, and I'm publicly shaming myself for that.

This stupid scope is a perfect application for those rings. Who TF designed a scope that has a damn tumor in the bottom right of it??? I keep wondering why I have mystery 8s at 5 o'clock - what the everloving F???
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Post by joy2shoot 1/20/2021, 9:48 pm

john bickar wrote:
This stupid scope is a perfect application for those rings.

I also use the rings for that very reason.

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Post by PhotoEscape 1/20/2021, 9:52 pm

I was just checking inventory today, and turns out, I'm quite low on 0.700", as I pretty much ship to folks one for each side.  I'll get batch going and will anodize some in black for sybarites like Radjag.

John, don't overlook please that you will need to glue shades as well.

It is my understanding that primary usage for H1 / H2 as they were designed, was rifle hunting crowd for 50 - 300 yards. 

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Post by john bickar 1/20/2021, 9:56 pm

joy2shoot wrote:
john bickar wrote:
This stupid scope is a perfect application for those rings.

I also use the rings for that very reason.

I like Alex's rings. I think the concept is sound. I want to get some to cover up that stupid Aimpoint tumor on this gun.

I do have some mixed opinions on them based on the ranges where I shoot. I have been meaning to share my thoughts with Alex privately (which I will), but I haven't done much training with them to put them through their full paces. COVID kinda blew away my 2020.
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Post by PhotoEscape 1/20/2021, 9:57 pm

joy2shoot wrote:
john bickar wrote:
This stupid scope is a perfect application for those rings.

I also use the rings for that very reason.
 Hey, people!  Those rings work on other tubes too.  JZ just shoot up NMC record with Jon's gun and my rings.  Of course Jon's thinks that it is his gun, but I know better.  It is the rings all the way!  Smile

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Post by Bmitch996 1/22/2021, 10:12 am

john bickar wrote:At the risk of asking a stupid question, do the H1/H2 all have that visual obstruction at 4:00 - 5:00 that makes the field of view not an unobstructed circle?

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I've got two H1's that I never use for just that reason, drives me nuts!

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Post by BHeintz 1/22/2021, 1:19 pm

The Holosun dots, at least mine, don't have the obstruction in view. That combined with the bluish green tint in the lenses, is why I never could bring myself to spend the money for a Aimpoint.

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Post by TureB 1/22/2021, 1:24 pm

john bickar wrote:
Jon Eulette wrote:yes

Well, that's f**king stupid.

Pardon my French.
As RADJAG pointed out above via google translate: "djävla dumt" works in swedish...
I would maybe say "det är djävligt dumt" or "det är förbannat dumt" (the last one is literally "that´s damned stupid")

Swedish doesn´t make use of swear words based on sexual words, it´s traditionally mostly based on religion.

So if I had noticed that obstruction I would probably say "men herregud, är de helt djävla dumma i huvet?"

Then again I would think, which I do now that John pointed it out, that they probably made a compromise in putting the emitter at about 45 degrees in order to get the sight body as low as possible on the gun. That the emitter sticks out into the field of view is probably because they wanted to make the opening as large as possible for hunters, as PhotoEscape pointed out.

the only Aimpoint I have ever used looked like this one:
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launched in 1983, discontinued in 1986, it had like a ½" hole to look through as I remember, but it was on my dad´s rifle (hunting rifle), good memories :-) 
(Dad´s still around, the rifle´s gone)

/Anders

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Post by spursnguns 1/22/2021, 3:45 pm

So if I had noticed that obstruction I would probably say "men herregud, är de helt djävla dumma i huvet?"

Hello TureB,

I was curious and had to translate it online....well done.

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Post by spursnguns 1/22/2021, 3:55 pm

john bickar wrote:At the risk of asking a stupid question, do the H1/H2 all have that visual obstruction at 4:00 - 5:00 that makes the field of view not an unobstructed circle?Aimpoint question Z

Hello john bickar,

Out of curiosity, do you typically concentrate/mentally-focus on the dot or the target image?

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Post by CR10X 1/22/2021, 4:34 pm

Bmithch996 and John Bickar:

OK, if it bothers you that much, I'll take them off your hand for say 20 bucks?  Don't want them messing with your shooting or concentration.  I'm sure the price is good since you wouldn't want others to suffer the same problems?  Smile 

As and aside, I think Photoescape needs a ring just between the largest aperture and the next smallest one as one more step in the sizes. 

Seriously, I noticed it for about 30 seconds when I first got them, now I just don't even notice it.  Too busy trying to find the center these days.  At 64, I wobble enough as it is without looking at the edges of the scope.   Embarassed

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Post by john bickar 1/22/2021, 8:26 pm

spursnguns wrote:Hello john bickar,

Out of curiosity, do you typically concentrate/mentally-focus on the dot or the target image?

Jim

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Post by john bickar 1/22/2021, 8:31 pm

CR10X wrote:Bmithch996 and John Bickar:

OK, if it bothers you that much, I'll take them off your hand for say 20 bucks?  Don't want them messing with your shooting or concentration.  I'm sure the price is good since you wouldn't want others to suffer the same problems?  Smile 

As and aside, I think Photoescape needs a ring just between the largest aperture and the next smallest one as one more step in the sizes. 

Seriously, I noticed it for about 30 seconds when I first got them, now I just don't even notice it.  Too busy trying to find the center these days.  At 64, I wobble enough as it is without looking at the edges of the scope.   Embarassed

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Just started shooting with an H2 and getting uncalled 8s at 5:00. Coincidentally right where that tumor is. Wanted to make sure that the ones I have weren't somehow "special". You'd be surprised how much shipments get beaten up on their way from the United States to California.

I'll put on my big boy pants and deal with it.
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Post by PhotoEscape 1/22/2021, 9:34 pm

CR10X wrote:
As and aside, I think Photoescape needs a ring just between the largest aperture and the next smallest one as one more step in the sizes. 

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Cecil,

This is the first time I got any feedback from you on any of the "thing" you ordered.  Now I need to to know a quantitative definition of "just between".  Largest ID in caliper terms is 0.925", next one is 0.700".  Since I'm running low on latter, CNC is about to be programmed to run it.  This is a good time for the input!

Papa John,

All you need are shades for H2.  You already have rings. 

Aimpoint, I believe, realized that World comprised of all kinds of shooters, not only hunter kind, and with H2 it tried to obscure appendix of the emitter by decreasing rear lens ID to 20mm (from 30mm).  Unfortunately they used Sweden geometry, and disregarded angle of view to the open field.  It would make more sense to have reverse aperture and make front lens with smaller ID.  Might be it will happen in H3 model.

In concept (and I'm giving a brilliant idea to anyone who want to monetize on it away for free!~:>) it would be very nice to combine something like H2's front lens with Merit adjustable optical attachment. 

Be safe everyone,
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Post by CR10X 1/23/2021, 7:45 am

John:  

You know I'm just messing with you.  Wink   (Still can't pass up the opportunity pick up a cheap aimpoint.)  Smile  

Yea, it was a little bit of a distraction when I first got one.  And the more you look at it the more you go, how could they not "see" that.  So it must have been a design issue with the smaller size and necessary location of the diode. 

PhotoEscape:

Sorry for the delayed feedback, it was just a general comment based on my dryfiring (see comment below).  I wanted to wait until I could do some extended rapid fire and slow fire strings before sending you anything.  

I have not been able to live fire anything for the last couple of months.  Wife had COVID (and she's ok now) and we're just getting back to normal.  

And yes, I thought about the adjustable iris (Merit) concept.  Didn't have time to work though the design issues to keep the size down to reasonable and make sure the adjustment didn't change under recoil.

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Post by radjag 1/23/2021, 8:56 am

CR10X,

AFAIK, we have never met, but I really value your erudite input to this forum. Your comments and advice are always priceless.

I have the good (??) fortune to have met John just the one time at his home match in CA in 2019. But somehow I just know that we appreciate the same kind of cynical, sometimes humorous, comments. Excellent! As time goes by I begin to understand that he might have something of a history in pistol shooting. Hmm!

As for Photoescape. Well, what to say? Bloody Russkie with bad English! But an altogether good egg! As the upper classes apparently used to say back in the old country!

I love this forum for the thoroughly educational and sometimes entertaining repartee that it provides!

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Post by PhotoEscape 1/23/2021, 9:39 am

radjag wrote:As for Photoescape. Well, what to say? Bloody Russkie with bad English! But an altogether good egg! As the upper classes apparently used to say back in the old country!

I love this forum for the thoroughly educational and sometimes entertaining repartee that it provides!

Well, get ready to hit translation apps, folks!  We started this tread from French, moved into British, then Swede, might as well get Russian for desert.

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