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Post by BHeintz Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:57 am

Was cleaning my conversion and noticed this crack in the slide. It's on the bottom side underneath the extractor. My conversion has about 20,000 rounds through it. I was a little surprised to see this, haven't heard of a cracked slides on a Nelson.Nelson conversion  slide crack 20210212
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Post by james r chapman Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:30 am

Email the pics to Nelson.
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Post by BHeintz Wed Feb 10, 2021 7:28 am

I sent them a email.

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Post by rich.tullo Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:59 pm

I had one crack after about +100,000 rounds and dry firing. They replaced the slide no questions asked.
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Post by BHeintz Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:09 pm

I talked to Larry. My conversion is more than 2 years old so it's out of warranty. A new slide would be $110.00

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Post by farmboy Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:28 pm

I have had more than one Nelson slide crack.
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Post by BHeintz Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:20 pm

Did yours crack in the same spot? Did you just have them replace the slide? Do you know the round count on the cracked slides?

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Post by farmboy Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:57 pm

BHeintz wrote:Did yours crack in the same spot? Did you just have them replace the slide? Do you know the round count on the cracked slides?
cracks occurred on either side of the firing pin block -  slides were in the 50k range.
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Post by Slamfire Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:55 am

I can't see the cracks in the pictures, maybe an arrow to them would reveal them.

Don't have a Nelson conversion, but based on the pictures, looks like there is a steel breech block held in place by an aluminum slide.

And that is the problem. Aluminum has a finite fatigue lifetime. So does steel if the sections are not thick enough. Make a steel structure thick enough, the load low enough, and you can keep steel below the fatigue limit.  If you follow the link, you will see, aluminum will always fail at some fatigue cycle. Make it thicker, it will take longer to fail, but fail it will.

So, what we are seeing are data points for the amount of cycles it takes for a Nelson slide to fail.

I would suggest, buy extra slides and install them when they finally crack. And buy enough so when Nelson stops making the things, you have spares.  That's the nature of the beast.

Or, buy a steel pistol, and shoot it forever. Replacing springs as they wear out, of course

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Post by DA/SA Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:24 am

Slamfire wrote:
Or, buy a steel pistol, and shoot it forever. Replacing springs as they wear out, of course
I believe it is the steel breech block insert that cracked.
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Post by chiz1180 Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:50 am

Slamfire wrote:Or, buy a steel pistol, and shoot it forever. Replacing springs as they wear out, of course
I have seen Hammerli 208/215's, Model 41's, Rugers, and even 1911s fail all of these are steel guns. Anything mechanical can and will fail at some point.

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Post by NuJudge Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:44 pm

I worked for years in a steel mill, and I was the only person there with a Metallurgy degree.  I encountered lots of steel parts that had a metallurgical failure because they were the wrong composition, so they did not achieve the right microstructure when the right heat treatment was used, or they were the right material with the wrong or no heat treatment.  

Still, give me something made out of steel, if it is cyclically stressed.

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Post by BHeintz Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:57 pm

Slamfire wrote:I can't see the cracks in the pictures, maybe an arrow to them would reveal them.

Don't have a Nelson conversion, but based on the pictures, looks like there is a steel breech block held in place by an aluminum slide.

And that is the problem. Aluminum has a finite fatigue lifetime. So does steel if the sections are not thick enough. Make a steel structure thick enough, the load low enough, and you can keep steel below the fatigue limit.  If you follow the link, you will see, aluminum will always fail at some fatigue cycle. Make it thicker, it will take longer to fail, but fail it will.

So, what we are seeing are data points for the amount of cycles it takes for a Nelson slide to fail.

I would suggest, buy extra slides and install them when they finally crack. And buy enough so when Nelson stops making the things, you have spares.  That's the nature of the beast.

Or, buy a steel pistol, and shoot it forever. Replacing springs as they wear out, of course

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It is the slides that are cracking. On my slide, the crack is under the extractor, running parallel to the breech block. If you click on the picture , it should be easy to see. And for steel guns, I have gone through two Ruger frames, and one upper . Ruger replaced the whole gun the first time. The hammer pin hole in Ruger frames, deforms and opens up. Once the holes get big enough, I started having issues with hammer fallow. Nelson conversion  slide crack 20170310Nelson conversion  slide crack 20170310
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Post by BHeintz Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:28 pm

I also wanted to mention my Nelson was a generation 2, they are now on generation 4. So these issues might not occur in the newest conversions.

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Post by chiz1180 Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:32 pm

BHeintz wrote:I also wanted to mention my Nelson was a generation 2, they are now on generation 4. So these issues might not occur in the newest conversions.
what letter is in the SN?

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Post by BHeintz Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:44 pm

Mine has the letter B. The letters represent each generation. Letter A would be first generation, D would be 4th generation .

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Post by CO1Mtn Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:10 pm

If you put it in a drill press and put a small drill bit in the chuck, then drill a hole at the end of the crack, will that stop the crack from spreading?
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Post by Wobbley Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:43 pm

CO1Mtn wrote:If you put it in a drill press and put a small drill bit in the chuck, then drill a hole at the end of the crack, will that stop the crack from spreading?
Perhaps.  But the hole has to be big enough.  For most cracks that’s usually around .093 maybe as low as .063.
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Post by chiz1180 Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:57 pm

CO1Mtn wrote:If you put it in a drill press and put a small drill bit in the chuck, then drill a hole at the end of the crack, will that stop the crack from spreading?

That is a typical procedure in crack repair/mitigation. However, as a replacement was quoted at $110, from my view that would be the best option. From the perspective of machining and finishing costs, $110 is a good deal.

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Post by chiz1180 Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:57 pm

CO1Mtn wrote:If you put it in a drill press and put a small drill bit in the chuck, then drill a hole at the end of the crack, will that stop the crack from spreading?

That is a typical procedure in crack repair/mitigation. However, as a replacement was quoted at $110, from my view that would be the best option. From the perspective of machining and finishing costs, $110 is a good deal.

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Post by BHeintz Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:29 pm

After taking the breech block out of the slide I could see how far the crack went. It goes from the front of the slide, to a cut out for the extractor. I don't think the crack will affect anything the way it is now. As far as I can tell the slide cracked because it was making contact with the barrel. If you look at the picture from Farmboy, you can see the black finish warn off from contact with the barrel. My slide looked similar. Im holding off on replacing the slide for now. I just filed down the areas of the slide that were contacting the barrel.

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Post by farmboy Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:47 pm

Slamfire wrote:I can't see the cracks in the pictures, maybe an arrow to them would reveal them.
I not sure how you can miss the crack in my photo - it is on the right side of the firing pin block ,as one looks at it in the photo, on top of the slide and runs 3/4 of the length of the slide.
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Post by Gary Collette Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:57 am

Inside sharp corners are a weak point in any mechanical part.
A .060 inside radius would add enough strength that cracks would be rare or eliminated.
A larger outside radius would need to be added to the breach block to clear.
These small changes would be easy to add and would show that Nelson listens to customers
with cracked slides and other issues if any exist.
If they want $130 for a new slide, $100 with the return of a cracked slide would be a nice gesture.
Larry and Kevin are stand up guys and I'm sure want to produce a problem free unit.
The cost of this unit high and the quality should reflect that.
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Post by Slamfire Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:21 pm

farmboy wrote:
Slamfire wrote:I can't see the cracks in the pictures, maybe an arrow to them would reveal them.
I not sure how you can miss the crack in my photo - it is on the right side of the firing pin block ,as one looks at it in the photo, on top of the slide and runs 3/4 of the length of the slide.
Not certain if what I see is a crack or a machine tool cut.

It is best to replace any structure that has a crack in the load path.

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