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Does the military Beretta M9 shoot low by default?

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Post by CO1Mtn 2/26/2021, 6:16 pm

I shot in a service pistol competition with a rack issue M9 a while ago. My score was a depressing 98/300. I noticed that the pistol was shooting quite low. I had to aim at the top of the black circle before I could even hit the black circle. Is this normal for an M9? I think I read somewhere that they are made such that the shooter has to cover the entire target with the front sight post, but I don't know if that's correct.
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Post by Tripscape 2/26/2021, 6:28 pm

Correct. Most "battle" pistols are set up with mid circle or 12 oclock point of aim. Typically in the combat scenario you are aiming AT what you are shooting.

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Post by CO1Mtn 2/26/2021, 7:22 pm

Right, most are set up with point of aim. This one seemed to be set up slightly higher than 12 o clock.
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Post by Jack H 2/26/2021, 7:35 pm

I have a civilian M9.  Before Roddy upgraded it, it shot in the 50y black mostly 9 ring size groups.  But I had to hold centre to be there.  This is off the shelf gun and ammo
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Post by Jon Eulette 2/26/2021, 7:40 pm

All of the military M9’s I have shot of shot point of aim, point of impact.
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Post by CO1Mtn 2/27/2021, 7:37 am

The M9 I was handed off the rack was very loose. I shook it side to side in my hand, and I could hear the barrel rattle. The barrel had no blueing left on it. I could hardly stay on paper with it. But I'm also not used to M9s.
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Post by BE Mike 2/27/2021, 7:45 am

The last Small Arms Firing School for Pistol, I attended, the M9 I was issued shot in the ten ring at 25 yards. It did shoot to  where the sights were pointed, NOT a 6 o'clock hold.
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Post by Steve K 2/27/2021, 9:44 am

I carried and qualified with the M9 for a lot of years and found it holds POA up to 25 meters.

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Post by JIMPGOV 2/27/2021, 12:26 pm

JUST A THOUGHT. I'VE SEEN THIS A FEW TIMES. THE OVER TRAVEL OF THE TRIGGER IS LIKELY THE CULPRIT. AS THE SEAR RELEASES THE HAMMER THE HAMMER BEGINS TO FALL AND THE TRIGGER IS STILL MOVING, QUITE A LONG WAY TO THE REAR. IF YOUR USED TO A 1911 WITH MINIMAL OVER TRAVEL. IT WILL TAKE SOME TRAINING TO OVERCOME THE ISSUE. JP

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Post by Jon Eulette 2/27/2021, 12:39 pm

Minimum over travel is overrated! Grip, aim, pull, bang!
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Post by CO1Mtn 2/28/2021, 9:06 pm

That was a horrible match. I did worse in that match than the first EIC match I ever shot in. I didn't even hit the backboard for the first three shots. I really think the M9 is too big and clunky, and a low quality pistol. The military should have stayed with the .45 caliber 1911.
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Post by LenV 2/28/2021, 11:31 pm

Don't have one anymore but I had one accurized by Roddy. I was impressed by the improvement. He explained that one of the things that were a must to do was lighten the hammer strike. From the factory they hit so hard they will force the nose down. A Victory also strikes super hard. That could have been the problem.
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Post by Ed Hall 3/1/2021, 8:35 am

If you can stand a short story:

I bought a commercial 92FS because I was shooting and carrying them at the time (USAF).  I never got any kind of group from it, even though I was already a Master level competitor in BE.  One day we had a kind of show and tell and a friend wanted to try it.  He shot a ten ring sized group at 25 yards.  I went back to my home range and realized it really was a ten-ring gun at 25 yards out of the box.  I had just never thought it was.  50 yards was another story, which a new drop in barrel fixed.  It's now a ten-ring gun at 50 yards as well. I had added a trigger stop early on.

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