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Post by beeser 3/3/2021, 11:02 am

While practicing yesterday I remembered some advice by CrankyThunder years ago which had to do with trigger control.  It goes something like this as I recall.  There is a tendency to wait for that perfect sight alignment and then pull the trigger.  The result is usually jerking the trigger and pulling the shot off line.  I'm guessing those of us that don't have a vise like hold and suffer some degree of shaking are more afflicted than others.  Instead, as CrankyThunder suggests, apply steady increasing pressure on the trigger through the shaking and let the shot go off naturally.  The logic being the shaking usually takes place within the 9 or 10 ring, certainly a better result than pulling the shot further off line.  I tried this technique yesterday and immediately noticed an improvement, especially with my 45.  It was a real confidence booster.  Any thoughts on this?

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Post by Wobbley 3/3/2021, 11:13 am

This is what is meant by “area aiming” “keep the trigger moving” “accepting your wobble” and a host of other sayings, even “shoot the first ten you see” .  And also the rationale for dry fire.  

In some respects, the notion that the shot break should be a “surprise” is fallacious.  You should make a subconscious decision to fire the shot.  That decision is when the gun settles in to the desired area.  You then press the trigger in a controlled manner to discharge the gun without disturbing the alignment.  

Pistol shooting is about trigger control.  Put the dot on the desired aiming area, press trigger.  Just don’t disturb anything in that process.
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Post by jjfitch 3/3/2021, 12:01 pm

I get a kick out of new shooters and especially new instructors that use the expression " surprise break"! Phooey! 

In my experience and according to the training I received "be the bullet"! As I'm pressing the trigger I imagine the POA/POI. Some say don't stop as you press, some say steer the front sight as you press. Steering also means possibly stopping the press and restarting as the front sight is steered! 

This may be the "secret" in the "roll trigger" magic vs. the "crisp break" trigger! I've never experienced a roll trigger so I'm guessing here! 

"Be the bullet"!
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Post by Jack H 3/3/2021, 12:33 pm

Wobbley wrote:This is what is meant by “area aiming” “keep the trigger moving” “accepting your wobble” and a host of other sayings, even “shoot the first ten you see” .  And also the rationale for dry fire.  

In some respects, the notion that the shot break should be a “surprise” is fallacious.  You should make a subconscious decision to fire the shot.  That decision is when the gun settles in to the desired area.  You then press the trigger in a controlled manner to discharge the gun without disturbing the alignment.  

Pistol shooting is about trigger control.  Put the dot on the desired aiming area, press trigger.  Just don’t disturb anything in that process.
If you sights could talk, let them be surprised.  Not you.
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Post by james r chapman 3/3/2021, 1:11 pm

I’ve had surprised breaks in the 5 ring!
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Post by jjfitch 3/3/2021, 1:16 pm

james r chapman wrote:I’ve had surprised breaks in the 5 ring!

I think that is the definition of a surprise break! 

I get a kick out of people that call those "Fliers"!

When I see the front sight in the 5 ring and feel the break that's all me! Smile
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Post by C7@71 3/3/2021, 2:57 pm

Might I suggest this.  I got a copy of the original  Dave Salyer “White Paper” or “Area of Wobble” thesis that he published a LONG time ago.

Google it.  It I good.

Here is a link to a past thread here.  This might be condensed a bit, but the Area of Wobble process is pretty straightforward.  Don’t know if that meets the definition of a surprise shot.  I still need to improve and most of the time I can call the shot, IF I have done it all right and knew it was good.  Maybe not in the X ring, but I knew where it was gonna break paper.  NOW, I’ll admit that some were a bit off...say 6” @ 25 yards....but in general, if you read this and follow and practice, you will improve....

https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t14993-how-to-shoot-better-sustained-fire-scores-dave-salyer-4-18-2016

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Post by CrankyThunder 3/3/2021, 6:12 pm

Oh jees,,,,,,,,,,,,


Gotta remember to keep my moufth shut...........


Everything resurfaces in a couple years and gives all of you a chance to flame my arse!
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Post by jjfitch 3/3/2021, 6:51 pm

CrankyThunder wrote:Oh jees,,,,,,,,,,,,


Gotta remember to keep my moufth shut...........


Everything resurfaces in a couple years and gives all of you a chance to flame my arse!




Nothing wrong with this statement!



"as CrankyThunder suggests, apply steady increasing pressure on the trigger through the shaking and let the shot go off naturally." 


Smiles,
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Post by Wobbley 3/3/2021, 7:44 pm

CrankyThunder wrote:Oh jees,,,,,,,,,,,,


Gotta remember to keep my moufth shut...........


Everything resurfaces in a couple years and gives all of you a chance to flame my arse!
Which is why it is seldom wise to be specific in forums and (anti)social media and only speak in terms of generalities.  You know, like politicians...
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Post by TonyH 3/3/2021, 7:53 pm

George! Never suspected you were a polytishun!
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Post by bruce martindale 3/4/2021, 6:48 am

Recommended practices from before 1960s Read the pistol shooters Treasury

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Post by kjanracing 3/5/2021, 1:26 pm

On of my most productive training exercises is firing on a blank target. This will give meaning to “area aiming “.  I usually fire on a 50’ target turned around. After, I can turn the target around and look at what I would have “scored”. The big idea here is to fire at the center of the paper, the area, and not a specific point like the black center. Try it.
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Post by CrankyThunder 3/5/2021, 7:00 pm

Be careful there kjanracing.  five years from now you will be called to the carpet and insulted with a polytishun accusation!
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Post by CR10X 3/6/2021, 6:49 am

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