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Post by CO1Mtn 3/30/2021, 5:18 am

If you have time, please give me your opinion on this pistol.

I'm specifically looking at this model:

https://ruger.com/products/markIV2245/specSheets/40107.html

This is the 22/45, with a 5.5" barrel and 8" sight radius. One drawback is that it has a polymer frame.

I would install this accurizing kit:

https://volquartsen.com/products/1139-pistol-competition-kit
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Post by James Hensler 3/30/2021, 8:22 am

Many competitors over the years have shot Rugers  at some point. I am sure this pistol 22/45 will be accurate enough. I would not worry about the frame because the 22 lr is not powerful. The only thing is I personally have not found a new Ruger with a trigger even close to what’s needed. Maybe the TC trigger will do the job.
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Post by cdrt 3/30/2021, 8:42 am

My personal opinion is, that it is too light. Much prefer a heavier pistol for .22. I installed a Volquartsen trigger in one for a friend and it would not make weight the first time out. I had to use one of the original springs so it would lift two pounds.
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Post by Al 3/30/2021, 9:07 am

As James mentioned, the factory triggers are lousy.
That being said, as long as you're feeding it 22 ammo that's even close to good any score under 300-20x for a NMC, will not be the fault of the gun. You'll be limited by your ability, not the gun. I like your addition of the Volquartsen set. My first modification on new acquisitions is their trigger & sear. The second is grip tape on the front strap. The best 22 shooting I ever did was with an old MKII, including several Hi Standards, 3 Marvels, 2 Nelsons, Walther GSP.  The Hi Standards felt the best, but the Ruger shot the best, out of my hand at least.

I've Ransom tested +- to a dozen over the last 20+ years. I've yet to have one exceed 2" @ 50 yds with CCI sv and 90+% of them will do between 1- 1 1/2". I've had them shooting below 3/4" with really good match ammo like Tenex, Lapua, and believe it or not some of the old Rem SV (think-ball & dummy) the CMP sold 15+ years ago. 
Al

PS: I would agree the polymer frame is on the light side. All the MKII's I've used for serious BE have been the metal frame. The polymer frame served me well as a field pistol.


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Post by aub1957 3/30/2021, 9:16 am

I have a pair of Ruger MK IIs that I use. I like the feel and the weight of the metal frame Rugers better. Personally, I think an all-metal Ruger is the perfect weight for timed and rapid fire. I am sure plenty people shoot them but I think the 22/45 is a bit too light for competition. I briefly had one, but unloaded it not long after purchasing it. I put the Volquartsen Accurizing kits in both MK IIs (and in a MK IV). The triggers are fine now and just over 2 lbs. It looks like the accurizing kit is about $50 less than your link to the competition kit, so you might could save some money there, if you wish.

I think the polymer frame setup on some of the 22/45s limits your grip choices. Perhaps others could chime in on that.

My limited value two cents: if it were me, I'd look for a MK II or a metal-frame MK IV and put the accurizing kit in it for a better trigger pull.

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Post by Olde Pilot 3/30/2021, 9:39 am

Mark IV with trigger kit for sure.

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Post by SonOfAGun 3/30/2021, 9:51 am

CO1Mtn wrote:If you have time, please give me your opinion on this pistol.

I'm specifically looking at this model:

https://ruger.com/products/markIV2245/specSheets/40107.html

This is the 22/45, with a 5.5" barrel and 8" sight radius. One drawback is that it has a polymer frame.

I would install this accurizing kit:

https://volquartsen.com/products/1139-pistol-competition-kit

The accurizing kit you link there is for Mk II and Mk III. I believe the appropriate kit for Mk IV is:

https://volquartsen.com/products/1293-pistol-competition-kit-for-mk-iv
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Post by radjag 3/30/2021, 1:06 pm

I have a Bull Barrel 22/45 Mk IV that I bought new off GB for $235. Partly for nostalgia (my first ever pistol 45+ years ago was a Mk 1 Bull Barrel) and partly to have as a training gun for novices, etc.

I don't think that they are particularly light. Mine had to go back to Ruger for a safety recall and so the trigger is back to stock - it is not bad, but 3 1/2lb pull, so not best for match use. The Volquartsen kit sounds expensive to me.

I fitted a Ruger rail and have a spare SIG Romeo 5 on a QD mount so that I can swap between iron and dot when needed. Works well.

Sorry, system no allowing me to post pictures at present.

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Post by rich.tullo 3/30/2021, 2:00 pm

cdrt wrote:My personal opinion is, that it is too light. Much prefer a heavier pistol for .22. I installed a Volquartsen trigger in one for a friend and it would not make weight the first time out. I had to use one of the original springs so it would lift two pounds.


MK IV Target you can bend the sear spring and bump up the weight. I am not sure if you can do that with the 22/45,
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Post by Allgoodhits 3/30/2021, 3:17 pm

You may want to look at www.clarkcustomguns.com . They may not list it on the website, but they used to make very good bullseye conversions on Ruger MK 1, 11's etc. I would shy away from the 22/45 for a heavier all steel gun.

Clark makes these grips which "help" to give the MK1 & 11 and 1911 feel. 
Clark Grips for the Ruger® Mark I, Mark II™ | Clark Custom Guns 

As for triggers, I have two MK 11s done by NVGW and they have outstanding triggers, and one has a Shilen barrel done also by NVGW in Springfield, VA.

As for accuracy, I have never seen a Ruger MK pistol that was not very accurate, and can be made better, much better. I think the grip angle for many is the obstacle. Andy Berryhill at Precision Target Pistol Grips  may have that solution too. 
Precision Target Pistol Grips - Precision Target Pistol Grips 

Of course if you have a 1911, then a Marvel or Nelson conversion may be in be worthy of consideration.

You do not have to spend $2,000 to get a very good shooting .22 pistol for bullseye.

My .02

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Post by rich.tullo 3/30/2021, 3:32 pm

Volquartsen LLV is with a Barrel weight is not a bad way to go. I built a Scorpion with parts I collected over the years. Utterly reliable, 1911 grip angle and virtually unlimited grip options as most any 1911 grip can be modified to fit, and you can easily take off the dot and shoot irons for EIC. 

You can buy the RUGER MK IV 22/45 and then add the VQ upper latter as you get more advanced.
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Post by CO1Mtn 3/30/2021, 5:22 pm

Thanks for your input! Much appreciated.
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Post by Texasref 4/2/2021, 9:21 am

I'm new to Bullseye, but did buy a Ruger 22/45 Mark IV, target.
Added the rail, Voltq. trigger and Venom sight.
It's plenty accurate enough for me. (I'm inching up towards 90% with it).

Any problems with it is the shooter and not the pistol.
IMO it's a very good gun for the money and I believe will serve you well for a long time.

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Post by Foundryratjim 4/3/2021, 11:42 am

bought mine 2014 and sent it to Clark Custom so they could work their magic on it. Shoots great. I just have to get better.
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Post by Nightshift82 4/5/2021, 9:05 pm

I use one with a Volquartsen trigger.  I score the way I do because of me, not the gun.  I have only had one malfunction, but that was a 36 grain aguila subsonic that stove piped... once.  It eats nearly anything...  a plus in today's ammo climate.....

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Post by Gary Collette 4/6/2021, 7:42 am

The Ruger is a great all around pistol.
When compared to other all around pistols of 22 rimfire it is king in my opinion.
That being said, when compared to a purpose built bullseye pistol it will 
be found wanting.
If you are new to the sport and want to purchase your first pistol it 
can be made into a good platform with the addition of the improvements discussed.
I'm certain a master class shooter would be able to make a good Ruger shine.
I'm also pretty certain that you will not find many if any master class shooters using
a Ruger.
I personally have not seen many on the line anywhere other than club shoots.
If funds are an issue it can get you started.
If you have the means to purchase a purpose built bullseye gun, you can skip the 
starter pistol step and move right into a great gun instead of a good gun.
The logic that the Ruger is able to shoot great scores is sound but great scores were and still are
shot with irons too.
How many of us use would advise using them?
My thoughts.

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Post by Jack H 4/6/2021, 4:25 pm

Rurers will shoot far better than the average shooters mental game
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Post by Jon Eulette 4/6/2021, 6:39 pm

I am cleaning up and throwing out a bunch of stuff and ran across a match results from back in 96. I remember borrowing a Ruger mkii 5.5 bull pistol for the match. I was shooting my first match as a civilian. The USAR All Reserve Pistol Team was there; Fox, Young, Reiter, Goza  to name a few. I won the .22 TF match with a 200-18X. The Ruger got it done!
Don’t think your being outgunned if you’re using a Ruger.
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Post by James Hensler 4/6/2021, 6:43 pm

Gary Collette wrote:The Ruger is a great all around pistol.
When compared to other all around pistols of 22 rimfire it is king in my opinion.
That being said, when compared to a purpose built bullseye pistol it will 
be found wanting.
If you are new to the sport and want to purchase your first pistol it 
can be made into a good platform with the addition of the improvements discussed.
I'm certain a master class shooter would be able to make a good Ruger shine.
I'm also pretty certain that you will not find many if any master class shooters using
a Ruger.
I personally have not seen many on the line anywhere other than club shoots.
If funds are an issue it can get you started.
If you have the means to purchase a purpose built bullseye gun, you can skip the 
starter pistol step and move right into a great gun instead of a good gun.
The logic that the Ruger is able to shoot great scores is sound but great scores were and still are
shot with irons too.
How many of us use would advise using them?
My thoughts.
I don’t shoot a Ruger but you are very correct about a Very Good Bullseye Pistol and a entry level pistol. 

I am fortunate to own a Pardini SP but I also shoot matches with my S&W SW22. 
I normally shoot 870’s with the Pardini 
I normally shoot 850’s with the SW22
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Post by jm7480 4/8/2021, 4:20 pm

CO1Mtn wrote:If you have time, please give me your opinion on this pistol.

I'm specifically looking at this model:

https://ruger.com/products/markIV2245/specSheets/40107.html

This is the 22/45, with a 5.5" barrel and 8" sight radius. One drawback is that it has a polymer frame.

I would install this accurizing kit:

https://volquartsen.com/products/1139-pistol-competition-kit
I have this exact set up for my back up bullseye pistol. Three members of my club liked my set up so much that they all went out and bought the same thing .The poly frame makes no difference as far as I'm concerned .It shoots great and the trigger is so smooth.
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Post by Dan Webb 4/10/2021, 9:45 pm

I will respectfully disagree with the above posters that feel the steel frame Ruger is a better way to go. Some said that the polymer framed gun is too light. The specs. from the OP said 34.4oz. That's only around 3 1/2 oz. less than a 1911. More important than the weight of this pistol is the grip angle. It feels very much like a 45 in your hand. I for one shoot better centerfire slow fire when I shoot a M41 for .22 than when I shot a MKII for .22. The transition from the "Lugerish" grip angle to the 1911 always cost me some points on the first magazine of centerfire slow fire. I think the 22/45-Volquartsen trigger combo is the best bang for the buck .22 out there.

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Post by LenV 4/10/2021, 11:20 pm

It's  all about options. This is my Marklll 22/45. It is wearing 1911 grips. I can fit every match 1911 grip I own on it. Try changing  grips on the  poly. Laughing Please give me your opinion on the Ruger 22/45 as a bullseye pistol 1151011
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Post by Foundryratjim 4/11/2021, 6:58 am

LenV wrote:It's  all about options. This is my Marklll 22/45. It is wearing 1911 grips. I can fit every match 1911 grip I own on it. Try changing  grips on the  poly. Laughing 


The parts manual for the Mark 4 shows removeable grips..
https://ruger-docs.s3.amazonaws.com/_manuals/Mark-IV-Pc4tS28s.pdf

I also have a Mark 2 22/45 that I started out in Bullseye shooting with before the Mark 3 that I have posted about earlier in the thread, That one you are stuck with the factory grips, Still is an accurate  and reliable pistol.

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Post by Dan Webb 4/11/2021, 7:09 am

@Len V

Your gun has a poly frame. All 22/45's have the option for replaceable grip panel as of several years ago. Your exact gun is in my opinion the best bang for the buck bullseye pistol out there.

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Post by Bren 4/14/2021, 7:29 pm

CO1Mtn wrote:If you have time, please give me your opinion on this pistol.

I'm specifically looking at this model:

https://ruger.com/products/markIV2245/specSheets/40107.html

This is the 22/45, with a 5.5" barrel and 8" sight radius. One drawback is that it has a polymer frame.

I would install this accurizing kit:

https://volquartsen.com/products/1139-pistol-competition-kit
i have the same gun with the same trigger kit. It will shoot way better than I can and I have never shot a better trigger on a .22. Equals or beats my Performance Center Model 41 that cost about 4-5 times as much. Definitely worth the money.
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