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Post by beeser 4/20/2021, 9:29 pm

How much of an advantage is there in shooting with both hands as opposed to one hand?


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Post by Jon Eulette 4/20/2021, 9:37 pm

I can shoot better one handed.......exceptionally better than two hand hold. No advantage once you learn to shoot one handed.
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Post by CR10X 4/21/2021, 6:36 am

Definitely an advantage, if you know how to do it. 

If there was not an advantage, then Metallic Silhouette shooters (out to 100 meters for small bore and 200 meters for full bore) would be using one hand.

And since I've tried both, I know for myself.  Pretty much cleans most of the time (50 and 25).  Metallic Silhouette, well not quite so good even with 2 hands, not an easy sport. 

But shooting with 2 hands can screw up your single hand shooting.  The grip with 2 hands (about 75 % with off hand and 25 % pressure with trigger hand) allows much better trigger control / operation (pretty much standard practice for IPSC / USPSA / other sports that allow 2 hand position).  But when you transition back, it takes some getting used to keeping a firm grip and trigger control with the trigger hand only. 

See Rob Leatham's comments about shooting precision pistol.  Basically he said slow fire was ok, but TF / RF single hand was the toughest part getting used to shooting with one hand.  Anyway, that's kinda an example of how it works both ways compared to what you are used to doing.  

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Post by inthebeech 4/21/2021, 10:23 am

Huge!
But then you wouldn’t be a Bullseye shooter.
You’d be a shooter; or a girl. 

A guy in my indoor league shot two handed all winter.  Because “the group” did not have any objections, two-handed shooters’ scores were counted for final standings (and even turned in to the NRA without telling them).  He and I both got our first cards (Indoor Sharpshooter) at the end of that season.  He also beat me out of the second place trophy at the end of the season, by one tenth of a point.  He knew he wasn’t a real BE shooter and I suspect it weighed on him; but obviously not enough to voluntarily disqualify himself like many of the other two-handed shooters did.
I sleep like a baby with my pitiful SS card.
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Post by rreid 4/22/2021, 10:45 pm

My opinion, two handed gives you an advantage in recoil control, and quicker follow up shots. Definitely an advantage in uspsa, debatable if it would help in bullseye
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Post by Sa-tevp 4/22/2021, 11:06 pm

beeser wrote:How much of an advantage is there in shooting with both hands as opposed to one hand?

If you get good shooting with your left hand you can still get good scores in Conventional Pistol - Precision Pistol - Bullseye if your right hand gets injured. Adam Sokolowski proved this.

Maybe I misunderstood your question?  Cool
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Post by john bickar 4/22/2021, 11:26 pm

inthebeech wrote:or a girl.

I dare you to say that to Ruby Fox 😉
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Post by chopper 4/22/2021, 11:42 pm

Inthebeach, we had a weekly league in our club that gave awards and dinner to winners also. Fair or not some of us Bullseye shooters would get a prize now and then. But they never used NRA rules so  it was their made up rules that could change during the 10 week league. They wouldn't know how to run a proper Bullseye match, but it was good practice for the upcoming NRA postal matches a couple months later. 
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Post by msmith44 4/26/2021, 11:48 pm

inthebeech wrote:Huge!
But then you wouldn’t be a Bullseye shooter.
You’d be a shooter; or a girl. 

NRA has a provisional 2-hand category for NRA sanctioned events. The highest available 2-hand classification is expert. If memory allows it's section 24 in the rulebook. 2-handed shooting allows people who love the sport to continue to compete against other 2-handed shooters and that's the way it should be. There comes a point when even the most skilled marksman reaches an age where he/she has difficulty handling a Model 41 at 40.3 ounces with one hand. Mixing two-handed scores with the conventional one-handed discipline simply isn't fair. Allow each to compete in their own way. When I started shooting in the early 60's red dot sights didn't exist and now they are allowed. Things change and there is a whole generation of shooters who are starting out learning two-hand techniques.

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Post by mikemyers 4/27/2021, 11:25 am

For me, shooting two-handed can be like shooting with a gun rest.  

On heavier guns, or Magnum loads, I wouldn't dare to shoot with one hand.

Lately I seem to shoot better most of the time with one hand, but one hand held out in front of me feels more "steady" than having the gun much closer with two hands involved.

Some guns seem to "fit" me better with one or two hands, than the other way.
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Post by frazitl2 5/30/2021, 10:15 pm

When I shoot two handed, it is for personal defense currency and definitely results in higher scores.  My good shots off (one) handed are actually as good or better than two handed.  However I shoot more "flyers" one handed, and thus larger groups.

Used to shoot competitive target and field archery at the national level in the "limited" division.  E.G. no mechanical release.  Many in my division used a simple device called a "clicker" to time our release.  It was a legal aide (including for Olympic competition} for "target panic", or "flinching" in the firearm world.  Is there such a thing in the Bullseye world?

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Post by mikemyers 5/30/2021, 11:06 pm

Seems to me that this defeats the purpose for many of us, trying to get a "surprise break" so we don't know exactly when the gun will fire.  Shooting deliberately might be good for the better shooters, but I still perform better when I let the gun fire from my subconscious, as I'm just gradually adding pressure to the trigger.  Knowing the gun is going to fire NOW at least for me, makes it more likely I will jerk the shot, disturbing my aim.

I was thinking about this earlier today.  I can "shoot" as well one handed or two, but with two hands the gun is a lot more stable, and the holes are a lot more likely to go where I want them to go.  The more I practice, the better I get one handed, but two handed feels like I'm shooting from a gun rest.
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Post by james r chapman 5/31/2021, 9:53 am

I believe 2 hand was advantageous when shooting revolvers and rapid reloads .

In some disciplines, PPC for example, where positional shots are required, single handed shooting would be detrimental.

For stand up bullseye shooting, the traditional 1-hand is preferable
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