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Trigger Jerk is a Myth.

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Post by funski Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:45 pm

First topic message reminder :

Article by John "Shrek" McPhee on trigger control being a myth.  Just wondering if any of you have read it and have any comments.

Thanks in advance
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Post by Slamfire Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:08 am

Thanks for the link!

https://www.shootingillustrated.com/content/why-trigger-jerk-is-a-myth/

The author of that article is someone who is obviously into combat shooting, which is primarily at spitting distances and rapid fire.  Seven yards is a long way for these guys. And at seven yards,  I can shoot very tight groups even with my nasty flinch, for I have done it many times.  I have kept all shots in the black at 25 yards with my flinch. However, at 50 yards, hitting the black with my uncontrolled flinch  has been a matter of happenstance. Precision fifty yard shooting, where every shot shows on a piece of paper, is totally hubris popping.  But, the shots have to be on paper, and not dirt splashes on a berm. If you only shoot at cans on a berm you will think yourself one Dead Eye Dick, when you are infact, all over the place. 

I am quite certain John “Shrek” McPhee  has never attached a SCATT shooting device to his barrel and seen the muzzle trace before, during, and after trigger release. Go to 58 seconds and see the display.






I don't have one of these, but several of my shooting buds do. All that have them tell me this device shows them their muzzle movement before, during, and after trigger release. Last month, a Smallbore National Champion and I were discussing follow through. I clearly see 11 OC shot placements on the target when I flinch with a 22 lr rifle, and I know, if I can go brain dead, not anticipate the trigger release, and just stay completely put during trigger pull and release, shot placement is predictable. Bud claimed until he laced up into his SCATT, he thought he had a good follow through, but the SCATT showed the muzzle moving all over the place due to his movements.



In my opinion, John “Shrek” McPhee  does not have a means of observing his flinch, is not shooting a game where inaccuracy due to flinch is revealed, and therefore, does not believe he flinches. His advice is worthless for precision shooting, but, within spitting distance where speed is everything, he will do well.

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Post by Colt711 Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:42 am

Where do I find this cat John Shrek McGee?
re: The trigger finger moving the pistol; when the  brain becomes frustrated w/ the shot not going there is a sudden, and quite emphatic order, sent which results in a reaction  in the hand. Though imperceptible to the observer the results at the target reveal the truth!
If the shooter has shot enough to be watching the front sight or dot he will see it!

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Post by Pinetree Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:34 pm

Oddly enough, some of the guys were discussing this article after our match last night, and the general consensus was that it was helpful.



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Post by Tim:H11 Tue Jun 21, 2022 4:03 pm

Oh lord..
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Post by faraim Sat Jun 25, 2022 5:39 pm

If Trigger Jerk is a myth then I must be a mythical creature, because I can certainly do it.
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Post by ghtt782 Sun Jun 26, 2022 12:36 pm

I tried twice to read the article. Sorry, I just couldn’t finish it. This guy simply has nothing to say that could help anyone and lots to say if he’s trying to mess them up. He just does’t know what he’s talking about. Like a lot of wanna-bees he’s just trying to be different and show his “method” is better. Reminds me of a guy we have locally who likes to teach new people how to shoot sporting clays. He’ll go to a shoot and stand behind you and tell you what you should be doing on each bird and what you’re doing wrong (I was AAA and had one foot in Master at the time). I finally had to ask him to shut up. I ended shooting an 89x100 that day and he shot a 29x100. Still, he’d get new people to pay him for lessons! He owned a gun shop so all the new people thought he knew everything. If this clown comes out with a book I don’t think I’ll be buying it. 

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Post by Wobbley Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:10 pm

Froneck wrote:
 Adam says he would rather shoot a gun that groups 10 ring and has a great trigger than shoot a gun grouping in he X ring with a lousy trigger.
 Trigger control is the key to good shooting.
That’s been the consensus of a lot of great shooters from the AMU and other “big dingers” since the 60s.  Bullseye is a trigger discipline, so is Highpower rifle with the M14 and M1.  You gotta pull the trigger without disturbing the gun whiten the gun is pointed at the 10 ring.  It doesn’t get anymore complicated.
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Post by Fezzik68 Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:45 pm

The Mantis works well for showing the flaws in trigger pull, so does a red dot and dry fire.

Remember,
we can explain it to him,
we can't understand it for him.

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Post by Ed Hall Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:15 am

Fezzik68 wrote:The Mantis works well for showing the flaws in trigger pull, so does a red dot and dry fire.

Remember,  
we can explain it to him,
we can't understand it for him.
But to make even better progress, use these tools to show you what perfection looks like rather than flaws. Seek what you desire.

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Post by Fezzik68 Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:36 am

Agreed.
I have made much larger improvements by focusing on what I do right. Positive feedback is a force multiplier.

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