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Post by Jwhelan939 Thu Dec 30, 2021 1:51 pm

I simply can't get to the range that frequently right now, so I rely on dryfire and Scatt training to practice. Was hoping someone could help me out with the Scatt. 

I have watched a number of Alex's videos, and read everything I can to make sure I am using the Scatt to its fullest. I've actually seen really good improvement in live fire. Has helped me nail down my grip and trigger while also helping me see the effects of stance and even footwear. 

Now my gripe, 
1. I still have a very hard time getting consistent results when using the tiny b16 target at 7m. My zero seems to change very easily. I do not have this problem with the b8, so I have been just using that. Any thoughts?

2. I have seen and read that you should expect under 100mms as your speed for a good pistol shot. I understand that the goal is to have your mms/250ms score be the same or lower than your mms, but no matter what I do I cannot get below 100. Even on bench rest I am in the 100s. Are people that regularly train with the Scatt  seeing speeds below 100? I have averaged 10.8 10 shot sets with damn near 100% 10.0 and 10a0 that still won't break below 300. Thoughts? 

Either way the results are extremely positive so I'm not too concerned by it, but I was curious as to others thoughts.

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Post by Wobbley Thu Dec 30, 2021 5:02 pm

Item 1 is either variations in gripping the gun (hand placement) and or stance issues.
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Post by Jwhelan939 Thu Dec 30, 2021 5:05 pm

Wobbley wrote:Item 1 is either variations in gripping the gun (hand placement) and or stance issues.
The zero changes when benched. I only verify zero benched.

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Post by Merick Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:44 pm

Is it a camera based model or a sensor/ir frame model?  Camera type ones will act out if light conditions are not to their liking.

F-coefficient will change the experience, the scatt forum uses a setting of 12 for their postal matches.

My time on the B8 is comparatively easy compared to the B16.

When my zero feels off I'll make adjustments about half way to what I thought my call was, usually it won't take very many.  When adjustments start to counteract the previous one, or it feels like you are chasing zero and making adjustments one way and then the other, you are zeroed.  Work on calling your shots, not shooting X's.

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Post by Jwhelan939 Fri Dec 31, 2021 9:01 am

It is a sensor  frame. I believe it's called ws1?

Good to know in the f coefficient. I left it at the default. I will set it to 12. 

Are you seeing speeds below 100 when shooting either b8 or b16? Literally I can not get below 100 even while shooting from the bench rest. 

The zero issue is a complete shift. From the bench it’ll shoot 8 ring left for 3 or 4 shots. Then all of the sudden it’ll be shooting 6 ring right for a few shots. Again, from the bench. Oleg recommended not racking the slide, which helped a little.

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Post by Oleg G Fri Dec 31, 2021 9:32 am

Jack,

I may be wrong, but I believe that achieving speeds below 100 is the goal for the air pistol. With the target being so close (10 m) the linear displacement of your point of aim is much smaller that at the distances we shoot - 50 feet, 25 yards and 50 yards. To prove the point, do this experiment: in one training session start with the Air Pistol target, then switch to B-2, then to B-16, then to B-6. You will see that your speeds increase progressively with the increase of the SIMULATED distance to the target.

Another thought about your changes in zero: try different Slow Fire targets: B-2, B-6, Air Pistol, ISSF... and choose the one that gives you the best results. Remember, when using SCATT you are NOT training to simulate a match, or to achieve specific scores. As trivial as it sounds, your goal is to execute your next shot to the best of your ability. SCATT is a great tool to help you evaluate your shot and find the next area for improving your shot process. The actual score, recorded by the software is the very last thing we need to worry about.

Best Regards,
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Post by Jwhelan939 Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:54 pm

Oleg, Thank you as always for the response. I was able to test the speed a little this morning. You were 100% correct. A 10m pistol target (sized for 5m) came with the unit. So just using that at my bench, which is 6.5m away, proved your point. My speeds were in the 60s. 

I know it's all trivial and does not effect my outcome. It was more trying to understand the system. The Scatt has helped me with many things, mainly consistentcy of grip, stance, trigger pull, etc. But now I need to hit the range for some ball and dummy drills. 

Thank you again for your help!

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