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Post by chiz1180 1/5/2022, 9:52 am

First topic message reminder :

CMP released the latest editions of the rule books.

https://thecmp.org/cmp-2022-competition-rules-are-now-online/?fbclid=IwAR1QtgfkXr0hM40pV8uAKFDFL43hJuFiFxNl1SKYCHlEEwkfcHYJ9EemVok


Notable changes from a first glance, Service Revolver is now an EIC and is the President’s course of fire. Air matches also have their own rule book too.
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Post by Bmitch996 1/13/2022, 8:41 am

As someone who shoots a S&W 625 for the 45 stage of a 2700 I hope this gets cleared up soon, as all of the local matches I shoot have switched from NRA to CMP.  
Since reading about these new rules I've been playing with the rebound slide springs and going back to the originals my 625-6 will barely hold #3.5, most of the time. That is measuring with actual weights not a gauge. 
I'm about to try my the 625-2 and see if it's any different.

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Post by msmith44 1/13/2022, 10:17 am

Bmitch996 wrote:As someone who shoots a S&W 625 for the 45 stage of a 2700 I hope this gets cleared up soon, as all of the local matches I shoot have switched from NRA to CMP.  
Why the switch from NRA to CMP? What is the advantage of one over the other?

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Post by Bmitch996 1/13/2022, 10:54 am

msmith44 wrote:
Why the switch from NRA to CMP? What is the advantage of one over the other?

I think it's a combination of cost and support CMP vs NRA from what I've heard.  But I'm not a match director just what I've gleaned from what they have said.

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Post by chiz1180 1/13/2022, 11:19 am

msmith44 wrote:
Bmitch996 wrote:As someone who shoots a S&W 625 for the 45 stage of a 2700 I hope this gets cleared up soon, as all of the local matches I shoot have switched from NRA to CMP.  
Why the switch from NRA to CMP? What is the advantage of one over the other?
From a Match Directors perspective, you get more support for your money and cost is less. CMP provides scorecards, NRA does not. In my experience CMP is more responsive to questions. NRA Competition’s is far more difficult to contact in my experience.
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Post by Joe Morgan 1/13/2022, 1:43 pm

As a data point, I just weighed my stock GP100- I know it is stock because I bought it new. It comes in at 3.25-3.5 pounds SA. 

I should be able to buy an off the shelf gun and do no modifications in order to compete (generally speaking). If I have to alter a gun in order for it to be legal, how is this helping to promote marksmanship exactly? I'd just skip the event.

This rule was cooked up by people who mean well, but my sense is that they are trying to stuff 10 pounds in a 5 pound bag. It's tough to get people to understand that just because a 1911 has a 4 # requirement, doesn't mean the addition of a new class has to match.

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Post by Lightfoot 1/13/2022, 2:10 pm

Joe Morgan wrote:As a data point, I just weighed my stock GP100- I know it is stock because I bought it new. It comes in at 3.25-3.5 pounds SA. 

I should be able to buy an off the shelf gun and do no modifications in order to compete (generally speaking). If I have to alter a gun in order for it to be legal, how is this helping to promote marksmanship exactly? I'd just skip the event.

This rule was cooked up by people who mean well, but my sense is that they are trying to stuff 10 pounds in a 5 pound bag. It's tough to get people to understand that just because a 1911 has a 4 # requirement, doesn't mean the addition of a new class has to match.
I agree.  My suggestion, and at one point Jim Henderson was saying this too, make only 45 revolvers meet 4.0 lbs (again for what reason? but still) all other calibers can be 2.5lbs.  That way I can shoot my 38 that is already qualified for the match.   Needing a 4 lb revolver for a once a year match won't go over well.  There will be low participation due to the trigger weight and the fact that not nearly as many people shoot a revolver match anyway.
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Post by Allgoodhits 1/13/2022, 7:51 pm

FWIW, we went through a similar thing a few years ago when NRA added "Production" Division in Action Pistol. The trigger pull weight had to be at least 3.5 lbs. A semi auto could be used in production, but not a single action auto. If an auto it had to be DAO, DA/SA or one of the Striker fire platforms. Revolvers were allowed, but had to meet the 3.5 lb trigger requirement in SA mode.

Some shooters reluctantly had their stock/production revolvers "modified to meet that 3.5 lb standard in SA. The next year, after much pushback from competitors, the trigger pull requirement was applied to DA, and not a SA requirement for revolvers. Most if not all shoot DA all the way through the COF anyway.

The quagmire of this CMP issue, is IMO, that it doesn't matter what the trigger pull is for Service Revolver Match, since it is a new category and everyone would be on the same plain. The  problem arises, when someone wants to shoot a revolver in the Service Match, which requires 4 lb trigger weight for that. Therefore, if one wants to shoot a revolver in the Service Match, perhaps keep it at 4 lbs, or give them an option to shoot DA. Be consistent. However, for a new category called Service Revolver, don't require people to add unreasonable weight to their SA, just because. If a .22 revolver can have a 2lb trigger, why can't a .45? It will not double, it will not go full revolver. 

I think I am up to $.03 now.
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