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Post by ser2711 3/15/2022, 5:04 am

Is a long time I have a Colt Gold Cup in .38 WC..(3 stars). I try at the beginning with commercial cartridges with not good result as with S&W 52 in 30+30 25 mt. match. I decide now to reload and I discover  same result as accuracy to the S&W 52.. Maybe is it the reasons the Colt is not so populare in competitions..?

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Post by Fotomaniac 3/15/2022, 10:24 am

All mine are very accurate. What are you loading?

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Post by ser2711 3/15/2022, 11:25 am

Vita N310 2.7 grs. H&N .357 148wc

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Post by Fotomaniac 3/15/2022, 11:36 am

I use 2.7/2.8 700x. Set bullet just a thumbnail above case mouth, snug roll crimp. Shoots great out of Mid ranges, Model 61 Clark and Giles.

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Post by Wobbley 3/15/2022, 5:03 pm

The Colt MR were never really as popular as the 52.  They didn’t survive the revamp of the “Government Models” to the “Series 70” conversion.  They generally were not as accurate as the 52 or the 1911 conversions from Clark or Giles (and others).  Couple that with the overall poor consistency of 38 WC ammo (even factory) at 50 yards and the Colt Mid-Range 38 WC was doomed.  

Since you’re in Europe and the collectors interest likely isn’t strong, my suggestion is to contact EGW for a custom barrel bushing that can be fitted to the gun/barrel.
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Post by ermakevin 3/16/2022, 7:33 am

Wobbley wrote:The Colt MR were never really as popular as the 52.  They didn’t survive the revamp of the “Government Models” to the “Series 70” conversion.  They generally were not as accurate as the 52 or the 1911 conversions from Clark or Giles (and others).  Couple that with the overall poor consistency of 38 WC ammo (even factory) at 50 yards and the Colt Mid-Range 38 WC was doomed.  

Since you’re in Europe and the collectors interest likely isn’t strong, my suggestion is to contact EGW for a custom barrel bushing that can be fitted to the gun/barrel.
That is an astute observation there, and you are correct. And here we are today as rare as hen’s teeth.

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Post by Fotomaniac 3/16/2022, 12:07 pm

FWIW. These pistols have a “pinned” barrel. It’s held in place by the slide stop pin. This means that the barrel doesn’t move upon firing. While it may be said that a tight bushing “may” help with accuracy, it only marginally will help. They do not lock up like a standard tilting barrel as in the 1911’s.  I have found that the load/ammo is the key to accuracy with these. If the slide stop pin is loose, and doesn’t secure the barrel properly, then I’d look to fix it. Also, be sure that the spring which sits below the chamber and applies some resistance is present and still firm. 
I have a Mid Range that has been tuned and accurized by one the Colt Custom Shop smiths…the bushing actually still has no real direct contact with the barrel.  It is very accurate…I however am not always!  Lol

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Post by fc60 3/16/2022, 12:51 pm

Fotomaniac wrote:FWIW. These pistols have a “pinned” barrel. It’s held in place by the slide stop pin. This means that the barrel doesn’t move upon firing. While it may be said that a tight bushing “may” help with accuracy, it only marginally will help. They do not lock up like a standard tilting barrel as in the 1911’s.  I have found that the load/ammo is the key to accuracy with these. If the slide stop pin is loose, and doesn’t secure the barrel properly, then I’d look to fix it. Also, be sure that the spring which sits below the chamber and applies some resistance is present and still firm. 
I have a Mid Range that has been tuned and accurized by one the Colt Custom Shop smiths…the bushing actually still has no real direct contact with the barrel.  It is very accurate…I however am not always!  Lol
Greetings,

The 38 National Match barrels have a slot machined into the barrel lug. It allows about 1/16" rearward movement when fired.

It is straight blowback. The barrel does not move up nor down.

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Post by Jim0 3/16/2022, 1:13 pm

Thank you Dave for posting the Picture it is worth 1000 words!

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